This Guy is a Sham

Originally Posted by Riot

LOL. Good point.

Some (Ron Paul) want to take "marriage" out of government all together, and put it only in churches. Which I guess means atheists can't marry?

The first question is should the concept of legal marriage be recognized on a federal or state level. State is the obvious answer, but that's given us the disaster we have now. So against what I've always thought (that it's a state thing), I'm thinking the feds have to recognize and define what constitutes a civil union-marriage (all the religious stuff needs to be out of it) and yeah, gay couples can be part of that and equal to heteros.

Baseless claim.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Politic...on_legislation

Paul has said that recognizing same-sex marriage at the federal level would be "an act of social engineering profoundly hostile to liberty."[192] Paul stated, "Americans understandably fear that if gay marriage is legalized in one state, all other states will be forced to accept such marriages."[193] He says that in a best case scenario, governments would enforce contracts and grant divorces but otherwise have no say in marriage.[194] Paul has also stated he doesn't want to interfere in the free association of two individuals in a social, sexual, and religious sense.[195][196] Additionally, when asked if he was supportive of gay marriage Paul responded "I am supportive of all voluntary associations and people can call it whatever they want."[195]

In a 2007 interview with John Stossel, Paul stated that he supported the right of gay couples to marry, so long as they didn't "impose" their relationship on anyone else, on the grounds of supporting voluntary associations.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Coach Pants

Baseless claim.

Why don't you look at what Paul said during the last GOP debate.

Originally Posted by Riot

Why don't you look at what Paul said during the last GOP debate.

Paul is on the federal level. His whole purpose is to give the power to the states. When that happens his opinion is meaningless.

Then the states that are tolerant will benefit because gay people are oppressed and it will lead to a fashion revolution. Sure the people in the tolerant states will be broke and starving but at least they'll look good while doing so.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Coach Pants

Paul is on the federal level. His whole purpose is to give the power to the states. When that happens his opinion is meaningless.

Then the states that are tolerant will benefit because gay people are oppressed and it will lead to a fashion revolution. Sure the people in the tolerant states will be broke and starving but at least they'll look good while doing so.

So you're taking back your wrong "baseless claim" accusation. Nice of you to man up for once.

BTW, you being involved in this thread is a bit offensive, considering "that's gay" (using gay as a slur) is something you throw around on this board at times.

Originally Posted by Riot

So you're taking back your wrong "baseless claim" accusation. Nice of you to man up for once.

BTW, you being involved in this thread is a bit offensive, considering "that's gay" (using gay as a slur) is something you throw around on this board at times.

Riot you know his personal opinion doesn't matter much. He's in the minority. I'm sure he's opposed to gay marriage due to his religious beliefs but he's at least willing to get the fed out of our homes. You can't say that about many of them in D.C. right now.

It's just alarming you would single him out. He's like Ghandi compared to most of them.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Coach Pants

Riot you know his personal opinion doesn't matter much. He's in the minority. I'm sure he's opposed to gay marriage due to his religious beliefs but he's at least willing to get the fed out of our homes. You can't say that about many of them in D.C. right now.

It's just alarming you would single him out. He's like Ghandi compared to most of them.

You are probably right that the states would move more quickly on this.

Holy ****, I'm watching a gigantic supercell pop up and top out from my deck.

I was out in eastern Scott country when that first tornado warning for Paris went out - that was one huge cell (could see it in the distance)

Originally Posted by Riot

You are probably right that the states would move more quickly on this.

Holy ****, I'm watching a gigantic supercell pop up and top out from my deck.

I was out in eastern Scott country when that first tornado warning for Paris went out - that was one huge cell (could see it in the distance)

It was about 8:45 or so last night and people were getting out of their cars in a downpour because of rotation right over us in downtown Louisville...getting back in and turning around flying away from it. We were stuck on the 4th floor and I thought it was a rain-wrapped twister. Sirens were going off. It was truly scary.

And besides it's ridiculous to have a discussion on this issue because I'm sure we both agree that gays should be able to marry. It's a ridiculous political tool used by RINOs to keep the southern baptists in their flock. Plus it's a distraction from far more important issues.

The feds need to back off. They already have too much on their plate. Let the states have control of the issue. It's a good start. With time all the states will allow gays to marry.

What I'm more concerned with at the moment is this crazy weather we're having. I don't want to die and you need to live too. Stay safe.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Coach Pants

And besides it's ridiculous to have a discussion on this issue because I'm sure we both agree that gays should be able to marry. It's a ridiculous political tool used by RINOs to keep the southern baptists in their flock. Plus it's a distraction from far more important issues.

The feds need to back off. They already have too much on their plate. Let the states have control of the issue. It's a good start. With time all the states will allow gays to marry.

What I'm more concerned with at the moment is this crazy weather we're having. I don't want to die and you need to live too. Stay safe.

Nice post.

What did you do with Coach?

Originally Posted by Riot

Nice post.

What did you do with Coach?

I just realize the game is rigged, that's all. Democrats aren't helping with the issue. Sure some of them are vocally for it but don't have the backbone to vote yes. They'll go absent or vote no because of some irrelevant part of the bill they disagree with.

It's laughable how blatantly deceptive some of them are.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Coach Pants

I just realize the game is rigged, that's all. Democrats aren't helping with the issue. Sure some of them are vocally for it but don't have the backbone to vote yes. They'll go absent or vote no because of some irrelevant part of the bill they disagree with.

It's laughable how blatantly deceptive some of them are.

Yes. I agree.