WI Union-busting provisions added in budget committee

[Riot]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

So deal with it

It's not going to be repealed. It's the law. It's already in effect. So you deal with it

[wiphan]

Originally Posted by Riot

It's not going to be repealed. It's the law. It's already in effect. So you deal with it

I thought you said the majority of americans didn't want Obamacare repealed? You believed that what Dell said was nonsense or false. Obviously he supported that with facts. There will be 800,000+ jobs lost if Obamacare goes into effect. That should help improve the economy.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by wiphan

I thought you said the majority of americans didn't want Obamacare repealed? You believed that what Dell said was nonsense or false. Obviously he supported that with facts.

If you look at the polls from January 2011 (Rassmussen, even), it's completely opposite. If you look at the poller, it changes with the way the question is asked. When you ask people if they want more (single payer) it's yes.

There will be 800,000+ jobs lost if Obamacare goes into effect. That should help improve the economy.

And your reference for that weirdness is? And btw, "Obamacare" is already in effect. It is in effect now, and has been for some time.

[wiphan]

Originally Posted by Riot

If you look at the polls from January 2011 (Rassmussen, even), it's completely opposite. If you look at the poller, it changes with the way the question is asked. When you ask people if they want more (single payer) it's yes.



And your reference for that weirdness is? And btw, "Obamacare" is already in effect. It is in effect now, and has been for some time.

Most provisions do not go into effect until 2014

[Riot]

Originally Posted by wiphan

Most provisions do not go into effect until 2014

What part of getting 30 million people better insurance and healthcare access is going to lose " 800,000+ " jobs?

[wiphan]

Originally Posted by Riot

What part of getting 30 million people better insurance and healthcare access is going to lose " 800,000+ " jobs?

What do you think is going to happen to all the people employed in the insurance industry? Estimates are that a minimum of 800,000 will lose their jobs if all the provisions go into effect by 2014. The insurance will not be better for most of us that already have decent insurance. The only reason you believe that is you are self employed and have to pay your own insurance. Having the government involved with something like your health is not a good thing. Have you ever dealt with a realtive on Medicare? The patients health is not what matters most

[Riot]

Originally Posted by wiphan

What do you think is going to happen to all the people employed in the insurance industry? Estimates are that a minimum of 800,000 will lose their jobs if all the provisions go into effect by 2014.

Um, no. There is no estimate whatsoever that "the insurance industry" will lose 800,000 jobs.

What was actually said, in the Congressional hearing that puts out the number you are quoting, where the CBO director spoke, was that 800,000 people, over the next 10 years, will no longer have to work just to afford their insurance, and that they may choose to not continue working.

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0211/49273.html
By J. LESTER FEDER & KATE NOCERA 2/10/11

CBO Director Douglas Elmendorf told the House Budget Committee on Thursday that the health care law will reduce employment by 0.5 percent by 2021 because some people will no longer have to work just to afford health insurance.

“That means that if the reduction in the labor used was workers working the average number of hours in the economy and earning the average wage, that there would be a reduction of 800,000 workers,” Elmendorf said in an exchange with Rep. John Campbell (R-CA).

The report, published in August, said, "The Congressional Budget Office estimates that the legislation, on net, will reduce the amount of labor used in the economy by a small amount—roughly half a percent—primarily by reducing the amount of labor that workers choose to supply … That net effect reflects changes in incentives in the labor market that operate in both directions: Some provisions of the legislation will discourage people from working more hours or entering the workforce, and other provisions will encourage them to work more.”

It should also be noted that 800,000 no longer having to work just to afford insurance means ... insurance will cost less for them. A good thing.

The insurance will not be better for most of us that already have decent insurance.

Most people won't experience a change in their insurance, but all will and already have experienced benefits. It is already better for everyone who is insured, as your insurance company will no longer be able to rescind you. You also no longer have a lifetime cap.

Two good things that affects everyone in a positive way.

The only reason you believe that is you are self employed and have to pay your own insurance.

The benefits of the PPACA affect everyone, whether they are in a group at work or a group of self-employed. Nearly all the PPACA are simply consumer protections from private insurance companies. No "government takeover of health care".

Having the government involved with something like your health is not a good thing.

They do a pretty damn good job with Medicare. So good, that I think Medicare should be offered to everyone.

Have you ever dealt with a realtive on Medicare? The patients health is not what matters most

Yes, I do (both my parents) and those hoops are no different than what private insurance companies require - they are just specific to Medicare.
Another good thing from the PPACA is that it closes the donut hole for them. A big benefit.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Riot

If you look at the polls from January 2011 (Rassmussen, even), it's completely opposite. If you look at the poller, it changes with the way the question is asked. When you ask people if they want more (single payer) it's yes.



And your reference for that weirdness is? And btw, "Obamacare" is already in effect. It is in effect now, and has been for some time.

Was awfully hot today for January

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Riot

It's not going to be repealed. It's the law. It's already in effect. So you deal with it

So is the Governor of Wisconsin yet you seem to be wet in your pants for any recall elections, and you don't even have a vote.

Yet repeal of Obamacare that I demonstrated thru polls, is not a desire of the majority, is untouchable law?

Hypocrisy? Of course, deal with it!

[Riot]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

So is the Governor of Wisconsin yet you seem to be wet in your pants for any recall elections, and you don't even have a vote.

Yet repeal of Obamacare that I demonstrated thru polls, is not a desire of the majority, is untouchable law?

Hypocrisy? Of course, deal with it!

LOL - hardly.

The health care law repeal attempt was voted upon earlier this year, and already failed.

The recalls in Wisconsin may fail, too. Or may pass.

Both are moving along their legal, constitutional channels as the voters want.

Nothing hypocritical about that at all, is there?

Yes, I'll be sending more money to Wisconsin Democrats, to help their repeal efforts. Glad to do it

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Riot

LOL - hardly.

The health care law repeal attempt was voted upon earlier this year, and already failed.

The recalls in Wisconsin may fail, too. Or may pass.

Both are moving along their legal, constitutional channels as the voters want.

Nothing hypocritical about that at all, is there?

Yes, I'll be sending more money to Wisconsin Democrats, to help their repeal efforts. Glad to do it

Glad your sending money to wi instead of paying for your own bum knee.

Obamacare is unconstititional and that's the difference.

[Riot]

The above title should read "allegedly", I guess.

Yeah, good thing this complete loser guy was elected to the Supreme Court in Wisconsin. Maybe he has dementia. First he announces to the world his purpose on the court will be to support the governor's agenda, now he's under investigation for assaulting another judge.

Old, angry white guys. It's sad. McCain, Prosser ...

Big long article with much detail here:

Wisconsin Supreme Court Justice David Prosser allegedly grabbed fellow Justice Ann Walsh Bradley around the neck in an argument in her chambers last week, according to at least three knowledgeable sources.

They say an argument that occurred before the court’s release of a decision upholding a bill to curtail the collective bargaining rights of public employees culminated in a physical altercation in the presence of other justices. Bradley purportedly asked Prosser to leave her office, whereupon Prosser grabbed Bradley by the neck with both hands.

In March, the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel reported that, in a disagreement over a case last year, Justice Prosser had called Justice Abrahamson a “total bitch” and threatened to “destroy” her. Prosser, the paper reported, confirmed making the remarks, saying he “probably overreacted” while accusing Justices Abrahamson and Bradley of being “masters at deliberately goading people into perhaps incautious statements.”

Read more: http://host.madison.com/wsj/news/loc...#ixzz1QKDzZXwm

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by Riot

Old, angry white guys. It's sad. :

racist and bigot

[nebrady]

Bunch of she said. If it was so bad why didn't she press charges along time ago? Oh by the way riot its official the budget has been signed! Time to party this week. Any of those protesters show up at your place yet? Told them you were a friend of walkers! Lol

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

racist and bigot

LOL - I think you need to look up the definitions of the words you use before you try to use them in desperation where it really doesn't apply.

I am talking about two specific people: David Prosser, who is old, has a documented history of public anger, and is white; and John McCain, who is old, has a documented history of public anger, and is white.

Two old angry white guys.

[wiphan]

Originally Posted by Riot

The above title should read "allegedly", I guess.

Yeah, good thing this complete loser guy was elected to the Supreme Court in Wisconsin. Maybe he has dementia. First he announces to the world his purpose on the court will be to support the governor's agenda, now he's under investigation for assaulting another judge.

Old, angry white guys. It's sad. McCain, Prosser ...

Big long article with much detail here:

You should learn the other side to the Prosser story. I guess like Kloppenburg you are quick to judge without knowing the facts. If you read something other than a liberal paper you may actually get the story right. When all the facts come out it may be justice Ann Bradley or Abrahamson who could be under judicial review.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by wiphan

You should learn the other side to the Prosser story.

Yeah! He was defending himself against her attack, and her neck ran into his hands!

[Riot]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

Glad your sending money to wi instead of paying for your own bum knee.

Sorry, Mr. Ignorant, I do both

[dellinger63]

Hats off again to Walker

MADISON, Wis. (AP) — Gov. Scott Walker will veto a part of the state budget that would have changed the way chewing tobacco products are taxed in the state.


Walker spokesman Cullen Werwie tells The Associated Press on Friday that Walker opposes the change put into the budget by the Legislature because it could lower the price of some tobacco products and make them more attractive to children.


Werwie released details of the veto to the AP in advance of Walker signing the budget and announcing other vetoes on Sunday.


The American Cancer Society and other groups lobbied Walker to veto the tax change, which would have taxed smokeless tobacco products based on their weight rather than a percentage of their price. The current price-based system ensures all such products are taxed equally.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

Riot maybe you can lobby the KY legislature to do the same. It might keep your mind off pubic workers' unions in distant states.

You contention that people that don't live in a state can't care what happens there is ridiculous and silly.

I've very happy New York legalized gay marriage. The GOP Governors union-busting agenda is being implemented in multiple states, and I'm quite happy to help people in those states fight the removal of individual freedom.

Wisconsin Supreme Court Justice David Prosser needs to resign immediately. Assaulting a judge is a felony in Wisconsin. He has committed physical assault on a coworker. He has a history of verbal abuse in the workplace. He could be brought up under Title VII.

Do you agree or not?