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Old 06-20-2011, 11:42 AM
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But running past She's Cheeky, a distance challenged Switch and Miss Match is not in the same zip code as facing horses like Morning Line, Friend or Foe, Rail Trip, Sidney's Candy, and Tizway.
That was the logic I used in last year's BCC and why I didn't include Zenyatta in any of my tickets. She demonstrated last year that (given a very favorable pace scenario) she could compete quite well against the best dirt males....on dirt.

What is so different this year?

Do you think Zenyatta was simply lightyears better last year than the top two fillies this year? I don't.
Or do you think the horses on your list are simply lightyears better than Blame, Quality Road, Lookin at Lucky, etc from last year?
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Old 06-20-2011, 11:56 AM
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That was the logic I used in last year's BCC and why I didn't include Zenyatta in any of my tickets. She demonstrated last year that (given a very favorable pace scenario) she could compete quite well against the best dirt males....on dirt.

What is so different this year?

Do you think Zenyatta was simply lightyears better last year than the top two fillies this year? I don't.
Or do you think the horses on your list are simply lightyears better than Blame, Quality Road, Lookin at Lucky, etc from last year?
Zenyatta was a very difficult horse to correctly assess. She was really good and did have an element of "I'll do what I have to do to win." The fact that she competed so well in the BCC had everything to do with the way the race unfolded. The dynamics were greatly in her favor. Both times Zenyatta faced males she had things go her way and she capitalized. That takes nothing away from how well she ran in both of her BC Classic tries.

Blind Luck would certainly be the type of filly that would benefit from a big pace setup facing males. Havre de Grace would to a lesser extent. Awesome Maria is like to get scorched facing the males that are headed to the Whitney.

Most importantly, like you said, it's conjecture at this point because none of them are facing males any time soon.
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Old 06-20-2011, 12:23 PM
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I think it's at least worth discussing because at least we can be reasonably assured that those fillies will still be racing, something we can never be sure about when it comes to Rail Trip and Morning Line. I have the utmost respect for Rail Trip. I was on here saying he'd be horse of the year in the past. At his best, I don't think any of the fillies would stand a chance and I don't think any of the males would either. But it's been so long since I've seen that best that I don't know if it's safe to assume that I ever will again.
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Old 06-21-2011, 02:55 PM
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Del 'Cap may be next - 6th showdown between Havre de Grace and Blind Luck

http://www.miamiherald.com/2011/06/2...-year-old.html
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