ouija board points to the classic

[King Glorious]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Are you challenging yourself to make even crazier comments every time you post?

It's only crazy to u because u don't believe it. That doesn't make it crazy.

[blackthroatedwind]

No, it is insane to make that kind of comparison between dirt and turf racing, which are totally different " animals ", so to speak. And, it is even crazier to suggest that the top turf horses are THAT much better than top dirt horses. Perhaps you are exagerating for effect. Otherwise....whatever.

[King Glorious]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

No, it is insane to make that kind of comparison between dirt and turf racing, which are totally different " animals ", so to speak. And, it is even crazier to suggest that the top turf horses are THAT much better than top dirt horses. Perhaps you are exagerating for effect. Otherwise....whatever.

I'm not comparing dirt and turf racing. I know that the style of racing is very different. I am only saying that in my opinion, this year's top dirt horses aren't that good and that they are ripe for the taking. I think Gorella and the improved version of Wait a While could be good enough to beat the likes of Fleet Indian and Pine Island. I don't think they would beat the likes of Personal Ensign, Bayakoa, Azeri, Paseana, Inside Information, or even Dance Smartly. But I think they could be competitive with this year's group if they were able to come close to transferring their form to dirt.

[blackthroatedwind]

If Gorella and Wait a While could race on the turf, while the others are on the dirt, it might be competitive. Your continued suggestion that Wait a While, who had WELL established dirt form, coincidentally improved as a racehorse exactly when placed on the turf is disturbingly illinformed.

Todd Pletcher, as I pointed out, was quoted in print BEFORE the American Oaks, that he always felt Wait a While was a better turf horse. Not that this proves anything but it hardly supports your unsupportable claim.

As for Gorella.....you think saying these things, even though there is nothing to back them up, gives them credence. It doesn't. Exactly how much difference between this year's Distaff field and the ones of the past you bring up do you think there really is ( in lengths )?

[repent]

what the hell?
has it ever even been suggested that Gorella or WAW would run on dirt?
why would anyone even consider it(especially in Gorella's case)?
the Distaff is worth the same amount of money as both the BCM and the BCFMT, so why would you take a top turf horse and run her on the dirt for the same amount of money?

as for The Board-
does not make a lot of sense.
forget the suggestion that she would not appreciate the distance.
this is a horse that won both the English and Irish Oaks at 12f.
she won the BCFMT at 11f at Lone Star in 2004, so she could certainly do it again here.
and besides, if you can win Grade 1 European turf races at 10f while running uphill for half the race, you can "get" 11f on a completely flat CD turf course.



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There's nothing on the Breeders' Cup web site to indicate Ouija Board is running in the Classic that I could find. Let's start another rumor: Lava Man will run in the BC Turf.

[repent]

Originally Posted by FairPlay

There's nothing on the Breeders' Cup web site to indicate Ouija Board is running in the Classic that I could find. Let's start another rumor: Lava Man will run in the BC Turf.

yeah,
where is the link to back this rumor up?

I can find nothing on it.


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[King Glorious]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

If Gorella and Wait a While could race on the turf, while the others are on the dirt, it might be competitive. Your continued suggestion that Wait a While, who had WELL established dirt form, coincidentally improved as a racehorse exactly when placed on the turf is disturbingly illinformed.

Todd Pletcher, as I pointed out, was quoted in print BEFORE the American Oaks, that he always felt Wait a While was a better turf horse. Not that this proves anything but it hardly supports your unsupportable claim.

As for Gorella.....you think saying these things, even though there is nothing to back them up, gives them credence. It doesn't. Exactly how much difference between this year's Distaff field and the ones of the past you bring up do you think there really is ( in lengths )?

I suppose u can show me something to back up your point of view that Gorella CAN'T be as good on dirt or better than she is on turf? To this point, all u have done is the same as I have done; give your opinion. U don't know anything to be fact more than I do so stop acting like u have fact on your side in the argument.

As for Wait a While, I will concede that in this one, u do have evidence to support your argument while I don't. But perhaps u can concede that I did not say she's as good on the dirt as on the grass. What I said is that IF she has improved as a racehorse and it isn't just the grass, then I think she'd be in with a good chance. It's not like she was a horrible dirt horse either. She was notches below the best in her division but she was still 8-3-1-3 with over $400k in earnings on dirt and a couple of 90 Beyers. That's not horrible. And this was only halfway through her 3yo season so there was still room for improvement. I don't deny that she's a better grass filly than dirt. It would be silly to deny that.

I happen to think this year's Distaff field is pretty horrible. I think horses like Personal Ensign and Bayakoa would be 6+ lengths better than them. I wouldn't take a shot against that type. Against these, I would. And I don't think either would have to be just as good on dirt as they are on grass.

Personally, I feel that 75% of what I've seen from Wait a While on the grass would be good enough to win the Distaff but 100% of her on the grass won't be good enough to beat Ouija Board and Film Maker. I think that Pine Island is probably the horse to beat in the Distaff and if she wins it, she's going to be the 3yo filly champion regardless of what Wait a While does in the F/M Turf. So go take the championship away from her.

[hoovesupsideyourhead]

there may be nothing to it ...it makes for great conversation.....

[ArlJim78]

Two comments:

To me, the idea of dumping Ouija Board in to the BCC at this point in her career borders on criminal. Yes maybe there would be something to gain if she were to somehow pull off a reasonable finish, but if you think about it, what more does she really need to prove to anyone? Also I don’t think that there is nothing to lose. What about the risk of injury? With no dirt preps or dirt racing experience that I’m aware of, and knowing how game and determined she is, I would worry that she might be at risk of injury due to it being a very demanding dirt race and the fact that she has already campaigned extensively at high levels on grass this year. Frankly it’s hard for me to believe this is even being considered.

About Gorella, I don’t see her translating her form very well at all to dirt. This is just my opinion but she looks to me designed for turf being rather slight and long legged and her running style to me screams turf. The other thing about Gorella that struck me when I saw her at Arlington in August is that she has what I would call big ole paddle hooves. They just look incredibly wide given her size. It seems to me that I’ve read somewhere that this is a desirable trait for turfers.