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[Riot]

Originally Posted by wiphan

ok, where has Obama created less government or less government interference into our lives?

You dislike Obama, I do not. I'm not going to argue his administration with you. But to put it simply and most obviously, Obama and the Democrats are the ones protecting my freedoms, my health, my welfare as a citizen of this country; while the Republicans are the ones trying to take them away. You disagree. Good for you.

[wiphan]

Originally Posted by Riot

You dislike Obama, I do not. I'm not going to argue his administration with you. But to put it simply and most obviously, Obama and the Democrats are the ones protecting my freedoms, my health, my welfare as a citizen of this country; while the Republicans are the ones trying to take them away. You disagree. Good for you.

I am not talking about me or the GOP. I just don't understand how u can admire and support Obama when you supposidely believe in fiscal responsibility, smaller government and less government interference in our lives. If u actually believed in any of these things there is no way u could be happy with Obama.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by wiphan

I am not talking about me or the GOP. I just don't understand how u can admire and support Obama when you supposidely believe in fiscal responsibility, smaller government and less government interference in our lives. If u actually believed in any of these things there is no way u could be happy with Obama.

Not from your point of view, but yes, from mine. I think you mischaracterize alot of what Obama has done, you think I do. So it goes.

[wiphan]

Originally Posted by Riot

Not from your point of view, but yes, from mine. I think you mischaracterize alot of what Obama has done, you think I do. So it goes.

Ok enlighten me on what he has done that I am mischaracterized? Specifically where he has done anything to show fiscal responsibility, smaller govt and less govt interference into our lives?

[Riot]

Originally Posted by wiphan

Ok enlighten me on what he has done that I am mischaracterized? Specifically where he has done anything to show fiscal responsibility, smaller govt and less govt interference into our lives?

He's cut the budget. He's cut waste from Medicare. He's cut millions from Medicare waste to make the PPACA self-funding with no tax increase. The PPACA protects consumers. He's given multiple incentive tax breaks across the board to individuals and small businesses. He's shrunk the number of people in the federal government. The auto bailout is virtually paid back (Chrysler paid back all of theirs this week) and we still have an auto industry with all the associated jobs and supportive businesses. We are not in a depression. He's signed in multiple laws to protect citizens (Lilly ledbetter, etc). He's gotten us out of Iraq. He is drawing down in Afghanistan. He requested and received billions in defense spending cuts.

Etc., Etc, Etc.

[wiphan]

Originally Posted by Riot

He's cut the budget. He's cut waste from Medicare. He's cut millions from Medicare waste to make the PPACA self-funding with no tax increase. The PPACA protects consumers. He's given multiple incentive tax breaks across the board to individuals and small businesses. He's shrunk the number of people in the federal government. The auto bailout is virtually paid back (Chrysler paid back all of theirs this week) and we still have an auto industry with all the associated jobs and supportive businesses. We are not in a depression. He's signed in multiple laws to protect citizens (Lilly ledbetter, etc). He's gotten us out of Iraq. He is drawing down in Afghanistan. He requested and received billions in defense spending cuts.

Etc., Etc, Etc.

Total debt is budgeted to increase from $11.9 trillion in FY2009, to $13.8 trillion in FY2010, and $15.1 trillion in FY2011. Where did he cut the budget?

[Riot]

Originally Posted by wiphan

Total debt is budgeted to increase from $11.9 trillion in FY2009, to $13.8 trillion in FY2010, and $15.1 trillion in FY2011. Where did he cut the budget?

Within military and discretionary spending.

Why is the bottom line increasing? Because Bush started unfunded wars, unfunded drug Rx givaway and unfunded tax cuts. We had to borrow money to pay for those things, with interest.

The expense of borrowing to pay for those items and the interest make up a good portion of our current budget deficit, and keep increasing (cost of Iraq spread over 10 years, etc).

Bush increased our spending markedly, while decreasing our real income. Then we had to borrow, with interest, over time, to pay for all of it. And that interest is accumulating.

So attributing a bottom line increase in the budget to Obama isn't accurate - a major portion the budget is borrowed money with interest, to keep making payments on things when Bush gave out the tax cuts without cutting spending.

We had to borrow the money with interest to make up for our income loss.

We had to borrow money with interest to pay for the wars, and the drug giveaway.

And those costs were not paid for during the Bush administration, they are carried out over years, with the interest compounding onto whomever comes subsequently.

So the bottom line increases, even as the budget is cut. That is why spending cuts alone, without raising our revenue, will never, ever put us in the black.

The facts are the greatest part of our deficit is the money we borrow with interest to replace the revenue lost with the tax cuts, because spending was not cut at that time (the cuts were not paid for) The other great cost was the money borrowed with interest to pay for the unfunded wars.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by wiphan

I am not talking about me or the GOP. I just don't understand how u can admire and support Obama when you supposidely believe in fiscal responsibility, smaller government and less government interference in our lives. If u actually believed in any of these things there is no way u could be happy with Obama.

its because she's a hypocritical douche-bag.

She basically thinks that she's the smartest person on the planet, and thats why she tea bags obama's nuts.. she thinks he's an intellectual equal to her.

I've been trying to play nice and debate politics with someone who thinks shes the god damn wizard of oz, but i'm done with her phony act.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

its because she's a hypocritical douche-bag.

She basically thinks that she's the smartest person on the planet,

Not in the least.

You might review who appears the douche bag here.

I've been trying to play nice and debate politics

"Except I couldn't help myself from degenerating to calling names, and now I"m really pissed it was pointed out."

Go take a good look in the mirror.

[Antitrust32]

go sit on your Obama shaped dildo.


back to the ignore list. I become dumber everytime I read the crap you write.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

go sit on your Obama shaped dildo.


back to the ignore list. I become dumber everytime I read the crap you write.

Yes. We agree on something.

[Antitrust32]

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