Vote on Debt Limit increase?

[dellinger63]

I just had a chance to look up the national debt in regards to W. Bush and Obama. Interesting.

1/18/01 Bush begins National Debt $5.725 trillion

1/20/09 Bush leaves and Obama begins $10.626 trillion

1/20/10 End of Obama's first year $12.327 trillion

1/20/11 End of Obama's second year $14.056 trillion

Incidently today 4 months later it's $14.345 trillion


So under Bush in 8 years the National Debt rose a total of $4.901 trillion or an average of $0.612 trillion/year

Not so surprisingly considering Obama's giveaway budget (not some fraction of such) he has managed a $1.611 trillion increase in his first year and a $1.729 trillion increase in year two. A 2 year total of $3.34 trillion. Should he manage to continue at the same pace for the next 6 years with no increase, he's on target to smash Bush down with a $13.6 trillion increase to Bush's $4.901 almost three times as much. The theory that a dollar given away comes back at a $1.60 is David Blaine stuff. It's actually a dollar we finance and pay interest on.

Incidently the amount the budget has been raised from year to year is close to a direct correlation to the amount the debt has risen. Whatever bailout and stimulus packages that have been tried have failed miserably by both Bush and Obama.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

Incidently the amount the budget has been raised from year to year is close to a direct correlation to the amount the debt has risen. Whatever bailout and stimulus packages that have been tried have failed miserably by both Bush and Obama.

That's an opinion that isn't shared by any of the well-known economists I've seen write about it over the past 3 years. No matter their political affiliation, all have said it kept us out of depression.

That our economic mess just "spontaneously reversed" all on it's own is a pretty rare opinion, without much to support it.

Your budget figures are a very simplistic way to look at it. I don't suppose you'd care to pull the military budget out of there (which ballooned after W's watch on a prepredicted pattern, no matter who would be elected President) There are obviously different components you are failing to specify: the military that Bush initiated, the stimulus bailouts that will not be repeated, then our regular discretionary budget. Ignoring that much of those budgets were one-time expenditures seems simplistic if presented under the guise of "analysis".

Not so surprisingly considering Obama's giveaway budget

Really? Why don't you post the breakdown of what that budget included - including the cuts to discretionary.

What did you think of the national debt chart I posted, that put the debt to the President who created it?

And here's another national debt chart - it doesn't agree with your figures at all, either. I trust it because it's CBO figures. It also shows that, since Roosevelt-Truman, the most massive increases in our national debt - for everything - occurred under Republican watch, the worse being George W and his two unfunded wars, unfunded Medicare drug benefit, and unfunded tax cuts.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nationa...idential_terms

The facts simply show that the Republican party has had terrible economic policy for this country, and has increased our national debt every single time they are in office starting with Reagan.

[jms62]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

I just had a chance to look up the national debt in regards to W. Bush and Obama. Interesting.

1/18/01 Bush begins National Debt $5.725 trillion

1/20/09 Bush leaves and Obama begins $10.626 trillion

1/20/10 End of Obama's first year $12.327 trillion

1/20/11 End of Obama's second year $14.056 trillion

Incidently today 4 months later it's $14.345 trillion


So under Bush in 8 years the National Debt rose a total of $4.901 trillion or an average of $0.612 trillion/year

Not so surprisingly considering Obama's giveaway budget (not some fraction of such) he has managed a $1.611 trillion increase in his first year and a $1.729 trillion increase in year two. A 2 year total of $3.34 trillion. Should he manage to continue at the same pace for the next 6 years with no increase, he's on target to smash Bush down with a $13.6 trillion increase to Bush's $4.901 almost three times as much. The theory that a dollar given away comes back at a $1.60 is David Blaine stuff. It's actually a dollar we finance and pay interest on.

Incidently the amount the budget has been raised from year to year is close to a direct correlation to the amount the debt has risen. Whatever bailout and stimulus packages that have been tried have failed miserably by both Bush and Obama.

Happy Birthday Dell. Do you even consider for 1 second that the 2 unfunded wars that Bush started had any impact on the Debt going up under Obama?? It's quite basic. If you start an unfunded war and continue with that war the debt will continue to go up. We as a country learned so much from the fall of the Soviet Union due to the war in Afghanastan.
What has Obama done wrong.
1. Didnt put an end to the 2 unfunded wars.
2. Has done nothing for the continued Rape of the Middle class by Wallstreet and CEO's
What Obama has done right
1. Got Osama the way it should have been done all along. Crack Team and good Intel.. If Bush goes that route it would have saved a few Trill.

Full Disclosure...
Voted for Obama. Looking for a viable candidate other than him next election. The Repubs have trotted out the Zippy Chippy's of candidates thus far.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by jms62

1. Got Osama the way it should have been done all along. Crack Team and good Intel.. If Bush goes that route it would have saved a few Trill.

And hundreds of lives. I'll never forgive Bush for the Americans he got killed in Iraq.

[jms62]

Originally Posted by Riot

And thousands of lives. I'll never forgive Bush for the Americans he got killed in Iraq.

FTFY... Now don't go all Nascar on me for it.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by jms62

FTFY... Now don't go all Nascar on me for it.

YOU EDITED MY POST!

[jms62]

Originally Posted by Riot

And hundreds of lives. I'll never forgive Bush for the Americans he got killed in Iraq.

Big Oil and Defense Contractors made a killing... Hmmmm just a coincidence ??

[Riot]

Originally Posted by jms62

Big Oil and Defense Contractors made a killing... Hmmmm just a coincidence ??

Being war contractors has always earned big bucks and transferred tons of wealth. The Republicans know that, they love it, and have during the entire Bush W administration. We're Americans, we're proud. The rest of us don't like to look at ourselves in a realistic manner and see the flaws in our leaders. Let alone prosecute them.

[Nascar1966]

Originally Posted by Riot

And hundreds of lives. I'll never forgive Bush for the Americans he got killed in Iraq.

How can you leave Obama out of this one? Aren't there still troops in Iraq coming home in body bags? Or are you still saying this is Bush's fault. Obama has the chance to bring the troops home, but he has no back bone to bring them home. Why would he care about the troops, he has never served a day in the military.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by Nascar1966

How can you leave Obama out of this one? Aren't there still troops in Iraq coming home in body bags? Or are you still saying this is Bush's fault. Obama has the chance to bring the troops home, but he has no back bone to bring them home. Why would he care about the troops, he has never served a day in the military.

he's been serving the past 2 1/2 years as the Commander in Chief of the military. highest position. I'm sure Obama cares deeply about our troops. I personally feel that he has excelled as Commander in Chief and that its been his greatest attribute as President.

I do not agree with many of his fiscal policies, but I feel the most important role for a president is to be the leader of the armed forces, and Obama gets props from me for the decisions he's made. From keeping Gitmo open, to helping to stop apparent genocide in Libya, to making the right call on how to kill Osama (I'm very happy the order was to shoot on site and not have to go through years of Osama military trials and giving Osama a platform to send his messages). He's been an effective military leader, and I'm not ashamed to give credit where credit is due...

shoot, I also think Clinton has done an admirable job as Secretary of State.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

he's been serving the past 2 1/2 years as the Commander in Chief of the military. highest position. I'm sure Obama cares deeply about our troops. I personally feel that he has excelled as Commander in Chief and that its been his greatest attribute as President.

I do not agree with many of his fiscal policies, but I feel the most important role for a president is to be the leader of the armed forces, and Obama gets props from me for the decisions he's made. From keeping Gitmo open, to helping to stop apparent genocide in Libya, to making the right call on how to kill Osama (I'm very happy the order was to shoot on site and not have to go through years of Osama military trials and giving Osama a platform to send his messages). He's been an effective military leader, and I'm not ashamed to give credit where credit is due...

shoot, I also think Clinton has done an admirable job as Secretary of State.

and you have to admit that they're making him get 60 Senators to pass almost anything. So, they really don't want him to do much (despite what they claim.) While having to get 60 Senators, no President will be able to do much. He is only able to make foreign policy/ terrorism type decisions.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Nascar1966

How can you leave Obama out of this one? Aren't there still troops in Iraq coming home in body bags? Or are you still saying this is Bush's fault. Obama has the chance to bring the troops home, but he has no back bone to bring them home. Why would he care about the troops, he has never served a day in the military.

You are a truly ignorant fool. Obama has already brought home over 100,000 troops from Iraq, and they will all be out within 8 weeks (July). Afghanistan is starting to be aggressively drawn down at the same time.

BTW, right now the President is speaking on the middle east - are you bothering to listen to what he's saying?

You think that only people that served in the military can care about our troops? How ridiculous. You're an un-American, un-patriotic idiot.

Besides, the conversation was about the defense contractors that were made rich under the Bush administration. You can't even follow a subject line. You post your off-the-wall nonsense that has nothing to do with what's being talked about.

STFU, Nascar.

[Nascar1966]

Originally Posted by Riot

You are a truly ignorant fool. Obama has already brought home over 100,000 troops from Iraq, and they will all be out within 8 weeks (July). Afghanistan is starting to be aggressively drawn down at the same time.

BTW, right now the President is speaking on the middle east - are you bothering to listen to what he's saying?

You think that only people that served in the military can care about our troops? How ridiculous. You're an un-American, un-patriotic idiot.

Besides, the conversation was about the defense contractors that were made rich under the Bush administration. You can't even follow a subject line. You post your off-the-wall nonsense that has nothing to do with what's being talked about.

STFU, Nascar.

STFU you despicable unt. I have better things to do in my life than listen to a deceiving person.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by Nascar1966

STFU you despicable unt. I have better things to do in my life than listen to a deceiving person.

you mean like wish death on the very people who serve our country?

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Nascar1966

STFU you despicable unt. I have better things to do in my life than listen to a deceiving person.

Your mouth is foul. Looking at the past page after page after page of your individual posts under your name, it seems your whole purpose in life is posting hate talk and cursing. You don't do anything else.

[Nascar1966]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

I just had a chance to look up the national debt in regards to W. Bush and Obama. Interesting.

1/18/01 Bush begins National Debt $5.725 trillion

1/20/09 Bush leaves and Obama begins $10.626 trillion

1/20/10 End of Obama's first year $12.327 trillion

1/20/11 End of Obama's second year $14.056 trillion

Incidently today 4 months later it's $14.345 trillion


So under Bush in 8 years the National Debt rose a total of $4.901 trillion or an average of $0.612 trillion/year

Not so surprisingly considering Obama's giveaway budget (not some fraction of such) he has managed a $1.611 trillion increase in his first year and a $1.729 trillion increase in year two. A 2 year total of $3.34 trillion. Should he manage to continue at the same pace for the next 6 years with no increase, he's on target to smash Bush down with a $13.6 trillion increase to Bush's $4.901 almost three times as much. The theory that a dollar given away comes back at a $1.60 is David Blaine stuff. It's actually a dollar we finance and pay interest on.

Incidently the amount the budget has been raised from year to year is close to a direct correlation to the amount the debt has risen. Whatever bailout and stimulus packages that have been tried have failed miserably by both Bush and Obama.

Riot will want to see a graph of this. If you show her a graph she still wont believe it. Maybe the smell of the dog poo at her vet place has ruined her brain cells that she has left. The limited ones she has left.

[Duvalier]

Nascar STFU

[joeydb]

Originally Posted by Duvalier

Nascar STFU

Is that all you have? Any refutation of the spending numbers?

[Duvalier]

Originally Posted by joeydb

Is that all you have? Any refutation of the spending numbers?

Yeah joeydb you're a political genius on a horse racing message board. Whoooosh!!!

[joeydb]

Originally Posted by Duvalier

Yeah joeydb you're a political genius on a horse racing message board. Whoooosh!!!

My question had a better foundation than your "STFU".

Is being politically unaware on the same board more satisfying?