The Wood

[3kings]

Originally Posted by MisterB

Secretariat also finished third in the 1973 Wood before sweeping the Triple Crown. I wonder if people loved to see that too!!! It's not like Todd had a bad day, considering he won the Ill Derby. I just feel bad for Repole, who had 100 or so family at the track for the predicted win.

Now on to Andy, who preaches bad bets on 1-9 horses. He was a bad bet, and you singled him in the P4, that was a bad bet. You preach, I listen. Live and learn.

I hope this is just the 3:48 AM talking because this is ignorant. The guy gave out a $120. horse earlier in the day and if you boxed his horses in that race it was a $3000. tri. Yet you get on him for missing on a horse that looked far superior on paper. I'm sorry someone held a gun to your head and made you bet what he said. Many on here appreciate Andy, Doug, Nick T, and Steve for giving their insight and it has helped us become better handicappers. Don't be such an @hole, if you aren't willing to lose on some one else's opinion, don't use it.

[dino]

It's easy to hate Uncle Mo because of his arrogant trainer and owner. Most of the same people hate the Pat's, Yankee's, Celt's and Lakers.

[Gin talking]

Nothing against Repole putting money in the business and supporting racing is great. Do not quote me but I think he made comments about running horses more and showing off uncle mo, (correct me if I am wrong). Then he runs him twice before the derby, and you know damn well if Mo had swept the triple crown he would have been sent to the shed right away. As for Pletcher maybe he had no choice but to run him in the races he did, we all know Repole wanted the Wood all along, but could an extra race helped?

[Travis Stone]

Originally Posted by Gin talking

Nothing against Repole putting money in the business and supporting racing is great. Do not quote me but I think he made comments about running horses more and showing off uncle mo, (correct me if I am wrong). Then he runs him twice before the derby, and you know damn well if Mo had swept the triple crown he would have been sent to the shed right away. As for Pletcher maybe he had no choice but to run him in the races he did, we all know Repole wanted the Wood all along, but could an extra race helped?

There are obviously theories and thoughts as to why everything panned-out like it did. It's odd though that a horse arrives at Palm Meadows in early December but does not start in a "race" until early March.

That said, he obviously worked hard yesterday and that should tighten him up. But I'm skeptical about his ability, at this point, to recapture his 2-year-old form.

[blackthroatedwind]

Uncle Mo was 20:1 on the internet and 1:9 at the windows.

Now we have proof that the vast majority of internet prognosticators don't bet.

So unbelievably tiresome. The only reason internet bettors are blowing their horns is because Uncle Mo lost. When these results don't go their internet way we never hear a fukking peep. It's preposterous.

Betting is done at the windows.

[Linny]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Uncle Mo was 20:1 on the internet and 1:9 at the windows.

Now we have proof that the vast majority of internet prognosticators don't bet.

So unbelievably tiresome. The only reason internet bettors are blowing their horns is because Uncle Mo lost. When these results don't go their internet way we never hear a fukking peep. It's preposterous.

Betting is done at the windows.

Kinda like how if all the people who said thery were at Woodstock reall went, there'd have been 10 million people there. Clearly, EVERY person who used Toby posts on this board.

[Indian Charlie]

I had $5,000 to win on Toby's Corner in the Wood, but I feel really bad, cause I had a huge exacta with Toby's Corner on top of Uncle Mo.

I'm such a dickwad.

[fpsoxfan]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Uncle Mo was 20:1 on the internet and 1:9 at the windows.

Now we have proof that the vast majority of internet prognosticators don't bet.

So unbelievably tiresome. The only reason internet bettors are blowing their horns is because Uncle Mo lost. When these results don't go their internet way we never hear a fukking peep. It's preposterous.

Betting is done at the windows.

Very well said! BTW...funny story. I was joining some buddies Saturday a little late when the horses were at the gate. I ran to the computer and asked the guys who they liked. They shouted back....Andy likes the 4...he's 60-1. For shiats and giggles I threw $2 wps. Unbelievable. Great call! Thanks for the extra cash.

[Thunder Gulch]

I'll just say that I'm really disappointed, though not shocked. He was handled this spring in a fashion that coming up short was almost to be expected, even for an enormously talented individual as he showed himself to be last year. I wanted to believe- really I did. I don't need better odds or a Derby "score", I wanted a superstar....I hope he's not hurt, and I hope he gets tight in the next 4 weeks, but this just sucks today.

[Gin talking]

As good of a trainer as Pletcher is, and his numbers say he is the best in the game. That being said, he gets the best horses year after year and his Derby record is poor. So maybe his method of getting horses to the derby is not the best? I do not know.

[MisterB]

Originally Posted by 3kings

I hope this is just the 3:48 AM talking because this is ignorant. The guy gave out a $120. horse earlier in the day and if you boxed his horses in that race it was a $3000. tri. Yet you get on him for missing on a horse that looked far superior on paper. I'm sorry someone held a gun to your head and made you bet what he said. Many on here appreciate Andy, Doug, Nick T, and Steve for giving their insight and it has helped us become better handicappers. Don't be such an @hole, if you aren't willing to lose on some one else's opinion, don't use it.

I didn't bet the horse, it was a bad bet, even in a P4. Something I learned from Andy. I know he had a bomb earlier, I listen to his show everyday. Your digging for burning embers, when there is none. Pointing out something he teaches, so what. What does getting up early getting ready to work have anything to with anything? Some people just love to start up BS.

[HaloWishingwell]

Uncle Mo apparently will get some bloodwork. Hopefully he is not suffering from Lifeattenitis


http://www.drf.com/news/uncle-mo-hav...ky-derby-trail

[MaTH716]

Originally Posted by MisterB

I didn't bet the horse, it was a bad bet, even in a P4. Something I learned from Andy. I know he had a bomb earlier, I listen to his show everyday. Your digging for burning embers, when there is none. Pointing out something he teaches, so what. What does getting up early getting ready to work have anything to with anything? Some people just love to start up BS.

I just want to know why you think it was a bad bet?
To me on paper, I thought the horse looked unbeatable. I thought the Motion horse was a little intriguing with the addition of blinkers, but I thought that there was going to be other horses looking for the lead as well. That's why I was kind of shocked when Uncle Mo found the lead so early. The race just never came together the way I envisioned it. Also, I never thought Toby's Corner was going to be the one coming late especially with the addition of the shades.

I didn't bet the race or the sequence, but I will admit Uncle Mo would have been a definite single on any ticket I would have put in. Then I could have spread in the other races where it looked like it was going to be needed. Like I said, I'm just curious why you feel like it was a bad bet.

Originally Posted by Bigsmc

I am envious of Richard Burch and his redboarding skills.

What do you have against the guy having a pick 3 that paid very nicely?...................

[MisterB]

Originally Posted by MaTH716

I just want to know why you think it was a bad bet?
To me on paper, I thought the horse looked unbeatable. I thought the Motion horse was a little intriguing with the addition of blinkers, but I thought that there was going to be other horses looking for the lead as well. That's why I was kind of shocked when Uncle Mo found the lead so early. The race just never came together the way I envisioned it. Also, I never thought Toby's Corner was going to be the one coming late especially with the addition of the shades.

I didn't bet the race or the sequence, but I will admit Uncle Mo would have been a definite single on any ticket I would have put in. Then I could have spread in the other races where it looked like it was going to be needed. Like I said, I'm just curious why you feel like it was a bad bet.

You are suppose to try and beat horses at these odds. Granted he looked unbeatable, so the second thing you look at is investment vs payoff. Anyone and everyone had Mo as a single on a P4 ticket if they played one. That alone draws down the pot. Given the fact that the Favs have been coming in at a 40%+ rate at the Big A all winter, how much do you think it would have payed vs your investment. To me, not enough to lay out 5x5x1x5.

[Kasept]

Originally Posted by MisterB

You are suppose to try and beat horses at these odds. Granted he looked unbeatable, so the second thing you look at is investment vs payoff. Anyone and everyone had Mo as a single on a P4 ticket if they played one. That alone draws down the pot. Given the fact that the Favs have been coming in at a 40%+ rate at the Big A all winter, how much do you think it would have payed vs your investment. To me, not enough to lay out 5x5x1x5.

'Faves all winter on the Inner Track' have zero to do with the Wood Memorial and the all stakes P4 sequence Saturday. Yes you try and beat horses at short odds within races and in multi-race bets. Except you do so when they appear clearly questionable or vulnerable. But in the circumstance Saturday, you needed a large bankroll to be so clever as to attack the quad with the assumption Uncle Mo might lose.

I had suggested a 5x5x2x1 play for $50. The P4 to Uncle Mo was paying $200, so you were getting 4-1 in that case. Toby's Corner was the right 'other' horse, if you believed there was an 'other' horse, and the P4 paid $4,000 (80-1). The problem with trying to get clever Saturday was that the Comely and Bay Shore were tricky, and required slightly wide-cast nets. (4 possible winners in the Comely? As many as 5 plausable winners in the Bay Shore?) The Carter was, for me anyway, Apriority and Morning Line only, so that helped. But trying to get to Toby's Corner on back-up tickets was hard to accept as a prop given that you easily could have ended up with an Ava K (3-2), JJ's Lucky Train (2-1), Apriority (3-2), Uncle Mo (1-9) parlay that returned $37.50.

So in addition to spending $50 on the main ticket, which covers the vast majority of the most likely possible outcomes, your view is that public handicappers suggest to people that they spend an additional $50 to try and snare a much less likely outcome. And those handicappers are supposed to do that knowing that the likliest outcomes may not cover the cost of the tickets? And by the way, Arthur's Tale ended up every bit as 'good' in the race as the winner, so even if you backed up with Toby's Corner, you may have ended up losing had Arthur's Tale gotten to the wire. Or should it have been suggested that people spend another $50 covering Arthur's Tale?

[MisterB]

Originally Posted by Kasept

'Faves all winter on the Inner Track' have zero to do with the Wood Memorial and the all stakes P4 sequence Saturday. Yes you try and beat horses at short odds within races and in multi-race bets. Except you do so when they appear clearly questionable or vulnerable. But in the circumstance Saturday, you needed a large bankroll to be so clever as to attack the quad with the assumption Uncle Mo might lose.

I had suggested a 5x5x2x1 play for $50. The P4 to Uncle Mo was paying $200, so you were getting 4-1 in that case. Toby's Corner was the right 'other' horse, if you believed there was an 'other' horse, and the P4 paid $4,000 (80-1). The problem with trying to get clever Saturday was that the Comely and Bay Shore were tricky, and required slightly wide-cast nets. (4 possible winners in the Comely? As many as 5 plausable winners in the Bay Shore?) The Carter was, for me anyway, Apriority and Morning Line only, so that helped. But trying to get to Toby's Corner on back-up tickets was hard to accept as a prop given that you easily could have ended up with an Ava K (3-2), JJ's Lucky Train (2-1), Apriority (3-2), Uncle Mo (1-9) parlay that returned $37.50.

So in addition to spending $50 on the main ticket, which covers the vast majority of the most likely possible outcomes, your view is that public handicappers suggest to people that they spend an additional $50 to try and snare a much less likely outcome. And those handicappers are supposed to do that knowing that the likliest outcomes may not cover the cost of the tickets? And by the way, Arthur's Tale ended up every bit as 'good' in the race as the winner, so even if you backed up with Toby's Corner, you may have ended up losing had Arthur's Tale gotten to the wire. Or should it have been suggested that people spend another $50 covering Arthur's Tale?

Thanks, but favs do come into the picture when figuring your ticket will be hit with a fav in your sequence, plus your single. I nor anyone else would have covered beyond Mo, at least I wouldn't have. I still say Mo was a bad bet as a single in the P4, even with a 50.00 ticket. 4-1 isn't a very good return on a P4.

Most public handicappers didn't say to spread at all here. And your P4 50.00 play was for a buck, so you where getting 2-1, not 4-1.

[Kasept]

Originally Posted by MisterB

Thanks, but favs do come into the picture when figuring your ticket will be hit with a fav in your sequence, plus your single. I nor anyone else would have covered beyond Mo, at least I wouldn't have. I still say Mo was a bad bet as a single in the P4, even with a 50.00 ticket. 4-1 isn't a very good return on a P4.

Most public handicappers didn't say to spread at all here. And your P4 50.00 play was for a buck, so you where getting 2-1, not 4-1.

You're right on the increment, because the will pays screen would have been for $2. So that takes the Mo will-pay to $100 and the Toby's to $2,000 (For $1 as opposed to $2). Anyway, it comes down to philosophy as to what to spend in an attempt to reach a payoff you deem rewarding for your risk. The point I was trying to address was in terms of the contention that it is inappropriate to suggest singling to an Uncle Mo type in that setting Saturday.

[johnny pinwheel]

this is why you don't listen to public handicappers........uncle mo's race is the type i spread in everytime......do you want the pool? or do you want to share it with thousands of other people? those guys just care about win percentage and looking good to the public.......theres only a few that don't worry about ripping them up and thats their problem. or they have to say certain things for the venue they work at....the guy that hosts this site puts together good tickets (steve) watch how he does it.....heres a hint...the biggest Pick 3 scores come when horses like smarty jones, big brown, rachel and uncle mo lose....people should forget the envy talk and learn how to gamble....take a math class and learn how to take the biggest part of the pool......very few public handicappers even talk about this......THEY GIVE YOU THE 2-5 (1-9) SHOT.....good luck doing well in this game with that! instead of whining and envy talk you can be in line signing a huge win.........people give a crap about all the WRONG things......if uncle mo wins thats my saver...its more of a loss. when he loses...now its something worth cashing.....