UNC.........

[Antitrust32]

any time you win 25 games in a regular season you had a very good regular season.

and the pac 10 didnt suck as much as the east coast bias made it out to be.

Washington was a tough team with some real good players. UCLA could play and had some NBA talent. USC was decent. Washington State, as Chuck pointed out,was a good team.

the Pac 10 proved its worthy by showing up to play ball in the tourney.

Arizona's run was no fluke. They were one of the country's top teams and they only got better as the year went on (except for two losses late in the season). They were an entirely different team at the end of the season then when they played Kansas in the beginning of the season. They only had one senior on the whole team.

Its okay if you didnt watch them or follow them all season, but they certainly did not suck at any point.

[somerfrost]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

any time you win 25 games in a regular season you had a very good regular season.

and the pac 10 didnt suck as much as the east coast bias made it out to be.

Washington was a tough team with some real good players. UCLA could play and had some NBA talent. USC was decent. Washington State, as Chuck pointed out,was a good team.

the Pac 10 proved its worthy by showing up to play ball in the tourney.

Arizona's run was no fluke. They were one of the country's top teams and they only got better as the year went on (except for two losses late in the season). They were an entirely different team at the end of the season then when they played Kansas in the beginning of the season. They only had one senior on the whole team.

Its okay if you didnt watch them or follow them all season, but they certainly did not suck at any point.

This year's tourney has proven one point...good teams can come from anywhere!

[slotdirt]

Right, well someone else is missing my point. Based on Arizona's regular season, there's no way anybody could have predicted they would go to the Elite Eight. Hell, if it wasn't for some really good fortune, they could have - and probably should have - lost to both Memphis and Texas. Their best win out of conference was against the worst team in either the ACC or the Big 12, take your pick.

Hindsight is just so easy for you guys. Seriously, how many teams win 25 games in the Pac 10 and get a five seed? if you think the Pac 10 was anything better than the sixth best league this season, I don't know what to tell you. Only the SEC East sucked any worse than did the Pac 10. It's easy to say "so and so was decent" when you're completely neglecting to mention the fact that 50 percent of that league was pure, unadulterated dog crap this year.

So yeah, I wasn't a believer in Arizona for this year's tournament, and I know I wasn't the only one.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by slotdirt

Right, well someone else is missing my point. Based on Arizona's regular season, there's no way anybody could have predicted they would go to the Elite Eight. Hell, if it wasn't for some really good fortune, they could have - and probably should have - lost to both Memphis and Texas. Their best win out of conference was against the worst team in either the ACC or the Big 12, take your pick.

Hindsight is just so easy for you guys. Seriously, how many teams win 25 games in the Pac 10 and get a five seed? if you think the Pac 10 was anything better than the sixth best league this season, I don't know what to tell you. Only the SEC East sucked any worse than did the Pac 10. It's easy to say "so and so was decent" when you're completely neglecting to mention the fact that 50 percent of that league was pure, unadulterated dog crap this year.

So yeah, I wasn't a believer in Arizona for this year's tournament, and I know I wasn't the only one.

Regardless of how their schedule looked and what their conference did, If you had seen them play at any point, you would know that they have some talent. In no way do they "stink" nor did they at any point leading up to the tournament.

There is a huge chasm between a team stinking and a team making the elite 8. Even if you didn't have them going deep, to proclaim them as a bad team is just a bad opinion born out of a lack of understanding of the game or never having actually seen them play. Either way, you look bad trying to defend your awful position.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

Regardless of how their schedule looked and what their conference did, If you had seen them play at any point, you would know that they have some talent. In no way do they "stink" nor did they at any point leading up to the tournament.

There is a huge chasm between a team stinking and a team making the elite 8. Even if you didn't have them going deep, to proclaim them as a bad team is just a bad opinion born out of a lack of understanding of the game or never having actually seen them play. Either way, you look bad trying to defend your awful position.

exactly

and its not even hindsight. Arizona was a good basketball team all season.

[slotdirt]

Nobody is saying Arizona didn't have a good season. What I am saying is that coming into the tournament, they were a complete enigma who literally hadn't beaten a quality team out of conference the entire season. That's a fact. It's fine to say "Derrick Williams is awesome!!!" and the like, but when a team's best out of conference win was Oklahoma or NC State, I'm sorry, but that is a team with suspect credentials coming into the NCAA tournament.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by slotdirt

Right, well someone else is missing my point. Based on Arizona's regular season, there's no way anybody could have predicted they would go to the Elite Eight. Hell, if it wasn't for some really good fortune, they could have - and probably should have - lost to both Memphis and Texas. Their best win out of conference was against the worst team in either the ACC or the Big 12, take your pick.

Hindsight is just so easy for you guys. Seriously, how many teams win 25 games in the Pac 10 and get a five seed? if you think the Pac 10 was anything better than the sixth best league this season, I don't know what to tell you. Only the SEC East sucked any worse than did the Pac 10. It's easy to say "so and so was decent" when you're completely neglecting to mention the fact that 50 percent of that league was pure, unadulterated dog crap this year.

So yeah, I wasn't a believer in Arizona for this year's tournament, and I know I wasn't the only one.

and you were completely wrong with your pre tournament opinion.

I happened to actually watch and follow Arizona this season, and knew they had some incredibly talented players, along with the most talented player in the nation, and thought they'd make a run. Though I did figure they'd lose to Duke.

There are also people like you out there that think Derrick Williams just started playing good in March, not realizing he had as good of a season as anyone is basketball. He averaged 1.95 points per shot attempt. that is downright incredible.

[slotdirt]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

and you were completely wrong with your pre tournament opinion.

I happened to actually watch and follow Arizona this season, and knew they had some incredibly talented players, along with the most talented player in the nation, and thought they'd make a run. Though I did figure they'd lose to Duke.

There are also people like you out there that think Derrick Williams just started playing good in March, not realizing he had as good of a season as anyone is basketball. He averaged 1.95 points per shot attempt. that is downright incredible.

This is just jibberish. Because I have an opinion on Arizona that contradicts yours, I've suddenly watched no college basketball this season and I don't know who a first team All-American is? If you were worth my time, I think I'd be offended.

The two of you today make me want to say something incredibly sexist, you really do.

college basketball is f.ucking terrible. Butler and VCU make Houston business owners wanna jump out their f.ucking windows and you a.ssholes are arguing over these s.hit programs like it means anything.

This is, arguably, the worst NCAA tournament of all time. It is a disaster.

[slotdirt]

antitrust has been watching Butler and VCU all season, and she knew all along that they had some very talented players and had great seasons, so the NCAA tournament really can't suck, Coach. Nice try though.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by slotdirt

This is just jibberish. Because I have an opinion on Arizona that contradicts yours, I've suddenly watched no college basketball this season and I don't know who a first team All-American is? If you were worth my time, I think I'd be offended.

The two of you today make me want to say something incredibly sexist, you really do.

When I said people like you.. I didnt really mean that you didnt know Derrick Williams was good all season..

I said people like you because you didnt know Arizona was good all season.

You put too much weight on out of conference games that happened in the beginning of the season and do not give the Pac 10 any credit for having some highly talented teams.

Derrick made 2nd team All American (which is such bull crap and east coast bias) and I was reading posts on another forum that basically said, Oh just because you have one good game against Duke doesnt mean you should be 1st team. And it made me think of your judgement of Arizona.

They were solid and consistantly good all season. They have a really good coach. They won the Pac 10 regular season and lost on a buzzer beater in Overtime to Washington (a good team in their own right) in the Pac 10 championship game. They have the most talented player in College BBall.. it really should not have surprised anyone that they made a deep run. Though how they completely bent Duke over did surprise me some.

There is a definate east coast bias when it comes to college basketball. Any team that wins 30 games over the course of a whole season is freaking good.

get your panties out of a damn wad. "if you were worth my time" <-- good one.