Last 15 KY Derby winners at this point

[Pedigree Ann]

Originally Posted by NoLuvForPletch

Looking at Silver Charm's PP's is making me regret not throwing a few bucks The Factor's way at 37-1...

Silver Charm's daddy was a G1 winner over 10f by Buckpasser and had already sired a G1 winner over 12f (Forever Silver, Brooklyn H). His dam was a 7-time 2-turn winner by Poker, damsire of Seattle Slew. And the The Factor is bred how?

[The Indomitable DrugS]

War Front's are 15-for-54 (28%) in route races. They are 14-for-109 (13%) in sprint races.

War Front's are also 0-for-36 as first-time starters.

Good luck to anyone who has him pegged as a win early sire of nothing but sprinters. Almost everything of his that has stretched out has improved.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Charismatic and War Emblem both had one huge recent race. They both had the top last out figure going into the KY Derby.

The reason why they went off at such a huge price is because the race came from out of nowhere - and they bascially both sucked sh!t through a straw prior to the one big recent race.

[3kings]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Charismatic and War Emblem both had one huge recent race. They both had the top last out figure going into the KY Derby.

The reason why they went off at such a huge price is because the race came from out of nowhere - and they bascially both sucked sh!t through a straw prior to the one big recent race.

If my recollection is correct, War Emblem was also allowed an uncontested lead. This hasn't happened since and will probably not happen very often given the amount of sprinters (that have won the majority of their graded earnings in sprint races as 2 year olds or early in their 3 year old season) now entering the derby

[NTamm1215]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

War Front's are 15-for-54 (28%) in route races. They are 14-for-109 (13%) in sprint races.

War Front's are also 0-for-36 as first-time starters.

Good luck to anyone who has him pegged as a win early sire of nothing but sprinters. Almost everything of his that has stretched out has improved.

His progeny are having increasing success going long by the day. Summer Soiree, a filly you mentioned as being eerily reminiscent of Eight Belles with her huge improvement all of a sudden for Larry Jones is a War Front. So is the winner of the Grindstone at Fair Grounds on Saturday, Great Mills.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Forgot about Great Mills - 16-for-55 now I guess.

[NoLuvForPletch]

Originally Posted by Pedigree Ann

Silver Charm's daddy was a G1 winner over 10f by Buckpasser and had already sired a G1 winner over 12f (Forever Silver, Brooklyn H). His dam was a 7-time 2-turn winner by Poker, damsire of Seattle Slew. And the The Factor is bred how?

The Factor's Grand Sire is Danzig. For me, enough said. War Front was and excellent sprinter but his offspring might carry the Danzig gene further than he did. Soldat (by War Front) was not too shabby going 2 turns. All I was saying is at 37-1 there were worse places to spend a few bucks. Obviously, that is why he 37-1.

[HaloWishingwell]

Originally Posted by NoLuvForPletch

The Factor's Grand Sire is Danzig. For me, enough said. War Front was and excellent sprinter but his offspring might carry the Danzig gene further than he did. Soldat (by War Front) was not too shabby going 2 turns. All I was saying is at 37-1 there were worse places to spend a few bucks. Obviously, that is why he 37-1.

My hesitation about The Factor is Baffert not only has his doubts about him getting the distance, he also recently said he is like a "runaway train". Not comparing them but it reminds me about his issues dealing with Sinister Minister.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by HaloWishingwell

My hesitation about The Factor is Baffert not only has his doubts about him getting the distance, he also recently said he is like a "runaway train". Not comparing them but it reminds me about his issues dealing with Sinister Minister.

Sinister Minister was a bum - up until the one time he got loose at Kee.

If you want to compare The Factor to a Baffert that didn't pan out - you'd do it with Straight Man.

[asudevil]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Sinister Minister was a bum - up until the one time he got loose at Kee. If you want to compare The Factor to a Baffert that didn't pan out - you'd do it with Straight Man.

My biggest score ever!!

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by asudevil

My biggest score ever!!

Redboarder.

[asudevil]

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

Redboarder.

Coming up on the 5 year anniversary.

[AeWingnut]

Originally Posted by asudevil

My biggest score ever!!

what was Sinister Minister, 8-1 at the most?

[NTamm1215]

Originally Posted by AeWingnut

what was Sinister Minister, 8-1 at the most?

He paid $19.40. I'm guessing he had more than $2 on him.

[DaTruth]

Originally Posted by asudevil

My biggest score ever!!

I played Storm Treasure in that race. He clunked up for second at 60-1.

[HaloWishingwell]

As I mentioned originally, I wasn't compare the two in talent at all. But just like Sinister Minister, Baffert can't harness The Factor. Not that he can't be successful but for the Classic distance it's very doubtful.

[AeWingnut]

Originally Posted by DaTruth

I played Storm Treasure in that race. He clunked up for second at 60-1.

and I hit the all button for my exacta