Closing Fractions - nothing has become more overrated in regards to the KY Derby

[johnny pinwheel]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

I think the main point they are missing is that the KY Derby is always going to be at least a true paced race - and sometimes an insanely fast paced race.

If you are finishing very strongly in your preps - you're probably going to have to run a whole lot faster early on in the Derby.

The same goes with workouts ... horses who enter the Derby off of crazy fast published workouts have a very good record.

for once i totally agree with you....your not trying to use some crazy number system. the early pace is what makes the derby. this is why the arkansas derby is a key prep in many years now, the first half is usually pedal to the metal. these horses usually go a crazy half that most horses won't make at 10 furlongs...it happens just about every year. if the horse can't cruise at a high rate of speed like big brown or super saver they will never make it...thats why i don't like to honor and serve....he wins a mile going 48 on the front....then he quits in the FOY, when they were walking compared to a derby pace. soldat did good considering he ran a little early and had soemething left late. besides that the other way is to close hard late. the reality is once every 10 years a horse will get a clear lead in that race.....if that. 9 times out of 10 a number of horses that are never going to make it....dictate a ridiculous pace. many years the winner can plod home because about 17 other horses are staggering. horses that can't withstand pace pressure or have to dictate the pace.....are dead. by the end the ones walking win and the ones behind that are stumbling to the barn.

[Slewbopper]

Drugs I have respected your handicapping prowess all the way back to '01 on the AOL boards when you were putting cum in your girl friend's shampoo. I am not generally a guy that jumps on a 2 yo bandwagon and declares a horse the best since the Bid, but I really do think Mo is a special one. i don't think that the pace of the Timely Writer means anything. I think Mo is a freak. My only question about him winning a TC is a rested horse like Birdstone beating him in the Belmont. And JRV is not my favorite jock. He knows how to blow it on the big stage. He is a pinhead to the nth degree ala Stew Elliott.

[justindew]

Originally Posted by Slewbopper

Drugs I have respected your handicapping prowess all the way back to '01 on the AOL boards when you were putting cum in your girl friend's shampoo. I am not generally a guy that jumps on a 2 yo bandwagon and declares a horse the best since the Bid, but I really do think Mo is a special one. i don't think that the pace of the Timely Writer means anything. I think Mo is a freak. My only question about him winning a TC is a rested horse like Birdstone beating him in the Belmont. And JRV is not my favorite jock. He knows how to blow it on the big stage. He is a pinhead to the nth degree ala Stew Elliott.

Waitwaitwaitwaitiwait....

What?

[Indian Charlie]

Not this story again.

Next you are going to tell me you never heard that story about DrugS and his male cousin.

[justindew]

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

Not this story again.

Next you are going to tell me you never heard that story about DrugS and his male cousin.

Never.

[Slewbopper]

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

Not this story again.

Next you are going to tell me you never heard that story about DrugS and his male cousin.

I didn't want to give away any of the DrugSter's inner secrets. We insiders know that he putts from the rough.

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by Slewbopper

I didn't want to give away any of the DrugSter's inner secrets. We insiders know that he putts from the rough.

Insider?

I feel like scrubbing myself down now with a brillo pad.