What was worse? The officiating in the STJ-Rutgers game or SA Handicap?

[slotdirt]

Sorry, but aside from the obvious end of game situation and the equally as obvious goaltending non-call on Jonathan Mitchell with about two minutes to play, what plays, exactly, would folks say were "blatant" fouls that weren't called? And don't say the Kennedy or the Mitchell "over the back," because neither appeared to be blatant in my book.

[jwkniska]

Originally Posted by slotdirt

Sorry, but aside from the obvious end of game situation and the equally as obvious goaltending non-call on Jonathan Mitchell with about two minutes to play, what plays, exactly, would folks say were "blatant" fouls that weren't called? And don't say the Kennedy or the Mitchell "over the back," because neither appeared to be blatant in my book.

I didn't have a problem with the 'over the back' plays, because those weren't fouls in my book either. The goaltending one was obvious. Travelling with about 2.5 sec left. Out of bounds with 1.7 sec left. Throwing ball into the crowd after going out of bounds and travelling (if you throw the ball up to kill off a sec or 2 at the end of a game, that's one thing because the ball is in your possession, but since he travelled and was out of bounds, it is NOT in his possession due to that and the guy should have gotten a T for it). The other was a guy got undercut on a rebound with about 30-40 sec left (don't remember exactly who it was but it was a guy backing under someone, not an over the back).

[OldDog]

Originally Posted by jwkniska

Travelling with about 2.5 sec left. Out of bounds with 1.7 sec left. Throwing ball into the crowd after going out of bounds and travelling (if you throw the ball up to kill off a sec or 2 at the end of a game, that's one thing because the ball is in your possession, but since he travelled and was out of bounds, it is NOT in his possession due to that and the guy should have gotten a T for it).

On these errors alone the STJ/Rutgers game comes out much worse than the judgement calls at Santa Anita (in which I happen to agree with the no-call after watching it a few dozen times).

[MaTH716]

Originally Posted by slotdirt

Sorry, but aside from the obvious end of game situation and the equally as obvious goaltending non-call on Jonathan Mitchell with about two minutes to play, what plays, exactly, would folks say were "blatant" fouls that weren't called? And don't say the Kennedy or the Mitchell "over the back," because neither appeared to be blatant in my book.

I thought Colburn was fouled going to the hoop with 9 seconds left.
Then the problem with the non-over the back call (which I thought it was), even after it wasn't called Kennedy fell into Mitchell causing him to fumble the ball out of bounds. So now no foul was called and they lost the possesion, which they would have had if Mitchell wasn't barreled in to. Then obviously the ending, which to make matters worse could have been reviewed. It seems these days they review everything, but the Refs couldn't get off the court fast enough.



Edited: I originally reversed the players.

[NoLuvForPletch]

Originally Posted by slotdirt

Sorry, but aside from the obvious end of game situation and the equally as obvious goaltending non-call on Jonathan Mitchell with about two minutes to play, what plays, exactly, would folks say were "blatant" fouls that weren't called? And don't say the Kennedy or the Mitchell "over the back," because neither appeared to be blatant in my book.

I agree, the goaltend was a missed call as well. But to dispute the foul on Coburn (the defender was not remorely close to vertical) or Mitchell (I was unaware you could push someone in the back) is a little silly. They basically didn't call anything in the final minutes that wouldn't be considered egregious except the foul on Biruta, which likely was a foul but in comparison to the others would have been the least likely to be called. It just so happens that it was called at a time when St John's was behind on the scoreboard. The ONLY time St John's was behind on the scoreboard.

[slotdirt]

Yeah, but that call is barely ever made in an end of game situation, and moreover, the contact there was less than the contact allowed throughout the game. I thought calling a foul there would have been completely inconsistent with the officiating ther emainder of the game.

And if Jonathan Mitchell would have just been strong with the ball, he wouldn't have lost it out of bounds.

Look, I can see the complaints about the awful end of the game, but the other stuff happens all the time and wouldn't even be an issue if Fran Fraschilla - who was fired from St. John's because he reportedly showed his players his genitalia - hadn't made a huge deal of it.

[NoLuvForPletch]

Originally Posted by slotdirt

Yeah, but that call is barely ever made in an end of game situation, and moreover, the contact there was less than the contact allowed throughout the game. I thought calling a foul there would have been completely inconsistent with the officiating ther emainder of the game.

And if Jonathan Mitchell would have just been strong with the ball, he wouldn't have lost it out of bounds.

Look, I can see the complaints about the awful end of the game, but the other stuff happens all the time and wouldn't even be an issue if Fran Fraschilla - who was fired from St. John's because he reportedly showed his players his genitalia - hadn't made a huge deal of it.

I'm referring to the blocking foul called on Biruta 25 feet from the hoop. The one that was made when STJ was down 1, giving Hardy the 2 free throws (1 and 1 actually). How is THAT the only foul called in the last minute?

While I agree FF might have an axe to grind, Jay Bilas doesn't. Did you hear him this morning on Mike & Mike?

[slotdirt]

I did not. And I completely agree that Higgins, Watson, and Burr botched the last few seconds. However, I don't think Rutgers has much to complain about otherwise in so far as the overall game goes. The big whitey on RU made a living in the second half with "over the top" putbacks. Once the officials establish that isn't a foul - and they quite clearly did - then whatever Horne and/or Kennedy did to Mitchell can't also be a foul.