Breeders Cup should only be held at

[King Glorious]

Originally Posted by Kasept

Scav..

Actually, Jerry's not off the mark here... There's been plenty of discussion on that topic.. California and Florida are awkward because Euros have their winter coats in and racing in warm temps isn't fair to them, and the configurations are inconsistant at some of the "other" guest tracks...

A BEL-CD-'Guest Track' rotation is probably the way to go...

I will agree that Gulfstream has a pretty miserable win % for European horses. But what makes u say that California is unfair? Consider these numbers:

European horses have won seven of 36 races at Churchill (19.4%). They've won seven of 30 at Belmont (23.3%). They've won five of 22 at Santa Anita (22.7%). If u add in Aqueduct and Hollywood, here are the numbers:

Churchill-7/36 (19.4%)
California-8/43 (18.6%)
NY-8/37 (21.6%)

I don't see that as unfair at all. A couple of noses or heads here and there and the percentages could shift pretty easily. I've heard the argument for years about how the Europeans are at a disadvantage when the races are in the warm weather sites but I have seen too many big races from them, especially in California, to believe it's true. I think that to take the BC away from one of the top two racing centers in the country would be ridiculous.

[pmayjr]

Now that Gulfstream has gone through the renovation, are they pushing to get the BC one of these years? Alos, what about Del Mar possibly getting it one year? You could handle it like Lone Star did, have a special one month race meet to go along with the BC being hosted there.

[repent]

Originally Posted by pmayjr

Now that Gulfstream has gone through the renovation, are they pushing to get the BC one of these years? Alos, what about Del Mar possibly getting it one year? You could handle it like Lone Star did, have a special one month race meet to go along with the BC being hosted there.

they are putting in poly.
where would the dirt horses run?
maybe you could let Del Mar run the BC turf races and freaking Turf Paradise in AZ run the BC dirt races.

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[avance2000]

Originally Posted by repent

they are putting in poly.

exactly why they should do it there. they shouldn't run the bc at any racetrack that still has a conventional dirt surface.....including ch. downs and belmont park.
this is the biggest day in horse racing and the non-turf races should be run on the greatest invention mankind has made sense the wheel.......polytrack.

[repent]

Originally Posted by avance2000

exactly why they should do it there. they shouldn't run the bc at any racetrack that still has a conventional dirt surface.....including ch. downs and belmont park.
this is the biggest day in horse racing and the non-turf races should be run on the greatest invention mankind has made sense the wheel.......polytrack.

the only ppl who like polytrack are those that care more about the safety of horses than the racing of horses.
its crap.
we breed for dirt in this country.
thats why we have the best dirt horses in the world.
now we are taking away the surface that these horses' very existence is predicated on.


you like poly,
then go open up your very own polytrack breeding farm.
you can stand that great horse Great Hunter for $50 as the farm's main attraction.

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[avance2000]

Originally Posted by repent

the only ppl who like polytrack are those that care more about the safety of horses than the racing of horses.
its crap.
we breed for dirt in this country.
thats why we have the best dirt horses in the world.
now we are taking away the surface that these horses' very existence is predicated on.


you like poly,
then go open up your very own polytrack breeding farm.
you can stand that great horse Great Hunter for $50 as the farm's main attraction.

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wow i assumed everyone would know that i was being sarcastic. did you really think i believed that the bc races should be run on polycrap or that the stuff was the best invention sense the wheel....i was totally kidding.

we all care about the safety of the horses....but it is a dangerous sport. the polydudes want to make things safer by destroying the sport. to me....that's moronic.
sorry repent, i guess i should have made my sarcasm a little clearer.

Originally Posted by avance2000

wow i assumed everyone would know that i was being sarcastic. did you really think i believed that the bc races should be run on polycrap or that the stuff was the best invention sense the wheel....i was totally kidding.

we all care about the safety of the horses....but it is a dangerous sport. the polydudes want to make things safer by destroying the sport. to me....that's moronic.
sorry repent, i guess i should have made my sarcasm a little clearer.

Dude with all the guys and gals wearing purple sneakers drinking the Kool aid around here, its very hard to tell the difference. Welcome to the team, glad to have you on the side of those intelligent or street smart enough to spot a con job a mile away.
Notice the Nyers aint weighing in real heavily on the side of Poly.
Its because from the time we go to kindergarten they warn us to spot the con artists and scammers. If you aren't street smart in NY, some other kindergartener will scam you out of your cookies and milk.
A wise man told me once(trainer whose won a lotta huge races) than any time you get some English guys wearing suits trying to sell you something, that you should run away just as fast as you can, because its a scam.
The guy never once gave me advice that wasn't right. I just wish I had listened to more of it sooner.

[Antitrust32]

What about Monmouth Park in this rotation? They are located in the North East so you would not have the weather changes for the Euros. Also, they have a nice facility and are hosting the BC next year.

[kentuckyrosesinmay]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

What about Monmouth Park in this rotation? They are located in the North East so you would not have the weather changes for the Euros. Also, they have a nice facility and are hosting the BC next year.

I LOVE your avatar Antitrust. Good choice

Originally Posted by avance2000

exactly why they should do it there. they shouldn't run the bc at any racetrack that still has a conventional dirt surface.....including ch. downs and belmont park.
this is the biggest day in horse racing and the non-turf races should be run on the greatest invention mankind has made sense the wheel.......polytrack.

Anybody who replaces "since" with "sense" in a sentence whos advocating something gives you a pretty good idea that you shouldn't buy what he is selling.

[avance2000]

Originally Posted by oracle80

Anybody who replaces "since" with "sense" in a sentence whos advocating something gives you a pretty good idea that you shouldn't buy what he is selling.

as i told repent, i was being sarcastic, which i tried to indicate with all of my .

as for my foolish spelling.....i guess i'll give it some more 's
i am just not one of those people who goes back and reads my posts over and checks for spelling/grammatical mistakes before i post it.
i have to do that crap at work. here i just type and submit.

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by avance2000

as i told repent, i was being sarcastic, which i tried to indicate with all of my .

as for my foolish spelling.....i guess i'll give it some more 's
i am just not one of those people who goes back and reads my posts over and checks for spelling/grammatical mistakes before i post it.
i have to do that crap at work. here i just type and submit.

Same here...

I run enough spell check shiat here, why worry about it on this message board? LMAO

[randallscott35]

My favorite wagering Breeders Cups have been at Belmont and Churchill. I think they are exceedingly fair tracks with little excuses for the horses. Monmouth, by the way, with the changes in track configuration will be better than people think. The turf course there now will be extremely solid for a Breeders Cup.

[repent]

I agree with the concept.
they are far and away the most fair locations for the event.
but I do think their is room for an occasional "guest" track.
Im talking like once every 5 years, so that it is an actual event.
kind of like how its a big deal when the US Open is held at a public course.

the only guest tracks that I think would be deserving of some consideration would be the 9f tracks WITH A DIRT COURSE (Arlington and Gulfstream).
forget about ever giving it to HolyPark again.
how the hell are you going to host a BC at a track that basically now has 2 turf courses and no dirt?

tracks that I have never been to that may deserve a shot would be Deleware and Colonial.
I dont know what the surronding areas are like so I dont know if they could host such an event.
I just know that everyone that goes to those tracks, seems to like them.


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[Kasept]

Originally Posted by King Glorious

I think that to take the BC away from one of the top two racing centers in the country would be ridiculous.

KG,

My complaint with SA as a regular rotation host has been the outrageous advantage the track has given the West Coast horses when it's been run there as much as the weather. And of course last time at Arcadia there was forest fire smoke and ash to deal with...

How about:

Churchill
Belmont
Santa Anita
"Guest Track"
Churchill
Belmont
Arlington
"Guest Track"

then repeat.. SA and AP every 8 years.. BEL/CD every 4 years.. Woodbine, Lone Star, Monmouth every 12 years.. something along those lines..

[Scav]

I would love to see it in Europe one of these years, Dubai would be absolutely awesome, although I don't think they would get much US support if they did this

[avance2000]

Originally Posted by Kasept

KG,

My complaint with SA as a regular rotation host has been the outrageous advantage the track has given the West Coast horses when it's been run there as much as the weather. And of course last time at Arcadia there was forest fire smoke and ash to deal with...

How about:

Churchill
Belmont
Santa Anita
"Guest Track"
Churchill
Belmont
Arlington
"Guest Track"

then repeat.. SA and AP every 8 years.. BEL/CD every 4 years.. Woodbine, Lone Star, Monmouth every 12 years.. something along those lines..

sounds like a very good system to me....

[King Glorious]

Originally Posted by Kasept

KG,

My complaint with SA as a regular rotation host has been the outrageous advantage the track has given the West Coast horses when it's been run there as much as the weather. And of course last time at Arcadia there was forest fire smoke and ash to deal with...

How about:

Churchill
Belmont
Santa Anita
"Guest Track"
Churchill
Belmont
Arlington
"Guest Track"

then repeat.. SA and AP every 8 years.. BEL/CD every 4 years.. Woodbine, Lone Star, Monmouth every 12 years.. something along those lines..

I guess I haven't seen this tremendous advantage for West Coast horses. Was it not the same way at Belmont when My Flag, Inside Information, Unbridled's Song, and Cigar all won in 1995? I think that naturally, when u have the races on one coast, the horses from that region will have an advantage. Part of it has to do with them being in their normal surroundings and some of it has to do with fewer out of town horses shipping. I just think that the best horses usually win the races and I think it would be wrong to not include SA in the normal rotation because Southern California is still one of the two biggest racing markets that we have along with NY.

Originally Posted by King Glorious

I guess I haven't seen this tremendous advantage for West Coast horses. Was it not the same way at Belmont when My Flag, Inside Information, Unbridled's Song, and Cigar all won in 1995? I think that naturally, when u have the races on one coast, the horses from that region will have an advantage. Part of it has to do with them being in their normal surroundings and some of it has to do with fewer out of town horses shipping. I just think that the best horses usually win the races and I think it would be wrong to not include SA in the normal rotation because Southern California is still one of the two biggest racing markets that we have along with NY.

BLAHHHH,
I wish this was the gong show because I'd put the gong on you as fast as i could swing the thing.
The dirt races out there are next to impossible for East Coasters to win.
You are talking about a place wheer Skywalker won the Classic, as did Arcangues, and Success Express and Action This Day(sorry Honu, truly I am,but..) won the juvenile races. Are you joking here or what?

[Buffymommy]

You guys can just BITE ME! I liked when it was in Florida. I can actually attend one. Can't afford to travel and spend the big bucks like some of you do.

It should be at different tracks. I am not complaining when it is in NY, KY, Cali, etc...

Reason I think it should be at different tracks is so you don't have "Belmont-lovers" or "churchill-lovers" type horses that win.

Euros can get a body clip!