3/5 (SA): Big Cap, Kilroe Mile, SA Oaks (G1's), Clocker's Corner

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

I can't wait to see what underlaid prices Turbulent Descent and Zazu are in the Oaks future wager next week. That race was an eyesore.

I'm just waiting to see if It's Tricky cracks the Top 10.

[NTamm1215]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

I'm just waiting to see if It's Tricky cracks the Top 10.

No chance. The California 3YOs are superior, it's just people like you and I who are missing out in not embracing them.

[Kasept]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

I'm just waiting to see if It's Tricky cracks the Top 10.

You and your unreasonable expectations..

[Borntorun]

I've been following Setsuko since his G1 place at SA over Lookin at Lucky last year and felt good about him getting the distance so I bet $2 on him to win and $3 to show along with a $1 exacta saver of 5 w/1,6. I was extremely disappointed they did not take Game on Dude down but want to thank all for their input. To read the variuos opinions help ease the pain of a really tough beat.

[AeWingnut]

if a 70-1 shot would have took the favorite wide and the fav starts playing bumper cars with everyone

the 70-1 would have been taken down even if he did nothing wrong

Originally Posted by AeWingnut

if a 70-1 shot would have took the favorite wide and the fav starts playing bumper cars with everyone

the 70-1 would have been taken down even if he did nothing wrong

Yes. The game is destined to run new players off. Who usually bets 70-1 shots? Crackheads and/or new bettors. You'll keep the crackheads and lose most of the new bettors save a few that are crackheads.

[AeWingnut]

Originally Posted by Coach Pants

Yes. The game is destined to run new players off. Who usually bets 70-1 shots? Crackheads and/or new bettors. You'll keep the crackheads and lose most of the new bettors save a few that are crackheads.

so if you bet 70-1 shots you are on crack

or the whole thing is just another popularity contest

[Indian Charlie]

I cannot fathom how people can possibly watch the replay as many times as they showed it and think GOD did not bear out BADLY into TC and cause that chain reaction.

Did you only watch the part of the race where contact was first made, and not the several seconds prior to that?????????????

Un
Believe
Able.

I think the human race is getting dumber by the day, and yesterday was a big day.

I didn't watch the race. Santa Anita's "dirt" course sucks balls. All of the races are auto-tosses.

[NTamm1215]

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

I cannot fathom how people can possibly watch the replay as many times as they showed it and think GOD did not bear out BADLY into TC and cause that chain reaction.

Did you only watch the part of the race where contact was first made, and not the several seconds prior to that?????????????

Un
Believe
Able.

I think the human race is getting dumber by the day, and yesterday was a big day.

I actually thought the explanation the stewards gave Trevor to give out was quite sensible. If you watch the head-on, because the pan shot is useless, it is noticeable that Twirling Candy leans in and hits Game on Dude. Now, the question becomes whether Game on Dude was coming out at the exact same time.

The stewards took an interesting view and I wonder how much Chantal pleading her case helped them take this approach. I imagine she was persuasive and said Twirling Candy initiated the contact.

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

I actually thought the explanation the stewards gave Trevor to give out was quite sensible. If you watch the head-on, because the pan shot is useless, it is noticeable that Twirling Candy leans in and hits Game on Dude. Now, the question becomes whether Game on Dude was coming out at the exact same time.

The stewards took an interesting view and I wonder how much Chantal pleading her case helped them take this approach. I imagine she was persuasive and said Twirling Candy initiated the contact.

Such detail. This would make an incredible porno with a script revision.

[NTamm1215]

Originally Posted by Coach Pants

Such detail. This would make an incredible porno with a script revision.

Having Chantal talking to you about twirling candy would have some kind of effect. No wonder the only vote to DQ was from the female steward.

[AeWingnut]

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

Having Chantal talking to you about twirling candy would have some kind of effect. No wonder the only vote to DQ was from the female steward.

Chantal called the stewards back after she watched the replay

really

you get to tell them what they are seeing?

how do you know the female steward wouldn't love for Chantal to whisper sweet nothings into her ear ?

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Mostly to annoy Indian Charlie ... here's my take on it.

First contact: (a strong brush or slight bump between TC and Setsuko)



Fault: mutual (Setsuko is getting in slightly under a strong right handed whip - Twirling Candy is a tiring horse and having trouble staying straight despite Rosario's best efforts)


Prior to second contact:



Chantal is going left handed and is going to look to come out and do some herding - Twirling Candy is coming in a bit.

Second contact:



Fault: mutual between TC and Game On Dude. The latter is coming out to herd - the former is coming in a slight bit. Because Game On Dude's hind gets bumped - it will appear like he mugged TC.


Basically - No one can be placed behind Twirling Candy. He was involved in mutual contact with two seperate horses. He was not fouled.

The only question is - did the chain reaction bump Setsuko took through no fault of his own cost him a placing?

If you believe it did - Game On Dude and Twirling Candy should both be DQ'd. Since Setsuko finished ahead of TC - you'd only be able to DQ Game on Dude and place him 2nd.

Would I have DQ'd the winner? No. Would I have expected a DQ of the winner? At most tracks - yes.

If you're willing to DQ the winner - you would also have to have been willing to move Setsuko up from 3rd to 1st had Twirling Candy not quit.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

I cannot fathom how people can possibly watch the replay as many times as they showed it and think GOD did not bear out BADLY into TC and cause that chain reaction.

Did you only watch the part of the race where contact was first made, and not the several seconds prior to that?????????????

Un
Believe
Able.

I think the human race is getting dumber by the day, and yesterday was a big day.

At 1st, I thought it was a hard call. I mean, if you're lazy, and just look at the collision between Candy-GOD, Then, I can see how someone would say she could stay up. If you look at what happened earlier, then, you should come to the conclusion that she fouled. That 1st collision between Setsuko-Candy is caused by Chantal floating out way too far (as they tried to straighten.) She came out a lot, and all at once. It's at a time when horses are shifting weight. So, people are expecting them to float right there, but she takes the opportunity to float a ton. Some say that Setsuko was responsible for coming in right there. He isn't. Victor just refuses to be floated out as much as the other 2. He is under control. The other two are not, and that's because she is floating her horse, (and Candy) out. T Candy is fouled right there. Even if you say he was gunna be dead, he wasn't dead there. The fact is that he has to make contact with Setsuko, or he would of clipped hills with GD. Just look at the distance GD is from the rail when he 1st straightens into the stretch. There is no way that he was that far out on the turn. Setsuko has not come in. He is just refusing to be floated. I wish Joel had refused it, too. He should have driven this bitch back to the rail, and refused to forced out into Setsuko.

“They bumped him real hard inside and out,” jockey Joel Rosario said.

Joel is gunna have to learn to ride much more defensively (on severe chalk.)
I mean, the only reason to let her stay up is because they let every other jock (in the race) ride Candy, too. Normally, Victor would have given more ground for Chantal to float these two horses out (although, he doesn't have to.) She's riding Candy. Victor was riding Candy. They sandwich him, and, somehow, like 99% of the people ignore it:

“They bumped him real hard inside and out,” jockey Joel Rosario said.

I guess someone will have to put a still up of the sandwich. That's about the only way people are gunna take note of it. Really, the thing that's surprising me is that he is badly fouled by at least 1 horse, and the stewards have Trevor come on and say he fouled. Yea, he 50% fouled a horse who had floated him out into another horse. God forbide he take back any of the ground he earlier had taken away from him by this bitch. I know people want to beat favorites. I think he was gunna tire, but polease don't tell me they didn't sandwich that Candy Horse coming into the stretch. He's not "dead" when it happened. Was he gunna tire without being sandwiched? Probably, but it's still a foul on 1 or both of those other horses.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Drugs, your 1st photo shows how far she's floated out into the stretch. She's not that far off the rail on the turn. Victor is where he would be (or even wider) if she hadn't pushed out. He just refuses to be pushed out by the others. Therefore, Candy sandwich. He doesn't have to give them this ground. It's assumed he will, but he is race riding the chalk. So, he participates in the sandwich of TC. That is not a foul. He is just not giving the ground they want. Her being out that wide is a foul right there. If Joel had held his ground (like he should of) there would have been a big collision between Candy n' GD. Instead, he hopes Victor gives him ground. He didn't. It appears Victor came in, because he knows he is gunna have to counter the weight of Candy coming into him. He does everything he can to avoid giving ground to the horses who are floating out. It's race riding. Her floating Candy into Setsuko is a foul (not race riding.) It's too much, and they missed it.

[Alan07]

Have they doled out punishment yet?

[Clip-Clop]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

Drugs, your 1st photo shows how far she's floated out into the stretch. She's not that far off the rail on the turn. Victor is where he would be (or even wider) if she hadn't pushed out. He just refuses to be pushed out by the others. Therefore, Candy sandwich. He doesn't have to give them this ground. It's assumed he will, but he is race riding the chalk. So, he participates in the sandwich of TC. That is not a foul. He is just not giving the ground they want. Her being out that wide is a foul right there. If Joel had held his ground (like he should of) there would have been a big collision between Candy n' GD. Instead, he hopes Victor gives him ground. He didn't. It appears Victor came in, because he knows he is gunna have to counter the weight of Candy coming into him. He does everything he can to avoid giving ground to the horses who are floating out. It's race riding. Her floating Candy into Setsuko is a foul (not race riding.) It's too much, and they missed it.

Got pics?

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by Clip-Clop

Got pics?

At 1:53 of your video pan shot feed......How far is she from the rail? When Trevor says "Setsuko is running a huge race," These 3 horses have plenty of space between themselves.

From 1:53-1:55 She taps one time lefthanded, and comes out toward you on the pan. In those 2 seconds, she has come out a lot. See the distance on drugs 1st still? That is not the distance (from the rail) that she was at on 1:53 of the pan video. At the same time, Victor decides to not float out at all. If you want to say he came in slightly, then fine. Those 2 things sandwich TC. The nice separation they had at 1:53 is totally gone. She ate that separation up by coming out from 1:53-1:55 of the pan video. That is what caused the great majority of all this contact that follows. Anyone that thinks she was straight needs to look at 1:53-1:55 of that race video. It's very reckless. It's the root of the problem yesterday. What takes place from 1:55-1:59 is the result of her coming out from 1:53-1:55.