My theory and feelings on Polytrack

[pba1817]

Originally Posted by Cunningham Racing

I have an ENORMOUS financial interest in the breeding industry and I rely on my knowledge - that I've worked very hard to attain - to breed my horses. My dad invested a lot of money in this game on my confidence and now i have to go back and tell him that his advisor will just be guessing based on no feel or statistics when i choose the breeds forn his mares this year. If you owned $600,000 in horses would you want to hear that lack of faith from your advisor?

And don't knick me, I'd put my knowledge up against most when it comes to pedigrees and breeding imperfections out of horses and qualities into horses....I've talked to many bloodtsock agents who have NO clue as to what will perform over this crap....

I sympathize with your situation, I truly do. But in all honesty, having such financial interest in the industry, you should have been as best prepared as you could for this change when it was announced a few years ago.

I think that the better breeds still drop the fastest horses, regardless of racing surface, some breeds will rise, some will fall, but overall I do not think there will be a major change of tides in the breeding industry.

Originally Posted by pba1817

I sympathize with your situation, I truly do. But in all honesty, having such financial interest in the industry, you should have been as best prepared as you could for this change when it was announced a few years ago.

I think that the better breeds still drop the fastest horses, regardless of racing surface, some breeds will rise, some will fall, but overall I do not think there will be a major change of tides in the breeding industry.

Hehe. To each his own. This is changing every aspect of the game.

Pgard,
If you can please answer as many of these questions as possible.

1) What is the average cost of maintaining a thoroughbred horse including vet bills, day rate by a trainer, shipping, and shoeing per year?

2) What percentage of owners show a profit on horses strictly through racing?

3) What is the formula for determining value of a sire before a stud deal is done?

4) Since the reformed tax legislation in the 80's which reversed the previous practice of being able to write off all horse racing business losses along with all other business losses, has ownership increased or decreased in thoroughbred horses?

There isn't anything worse than a guy who is a novice at best telling guys who aren't everything that they supposedly don't know.
It would be like me attempting to teach you about Physics Patrick.

[pba1817]

Originally Posted by oracle80

There isn't anything worse than a guy who is a novice at best telling guys who aren't everything that they supposedly don't know.
It would be like me attempting to teach you about Physics Patrick.

Go through my posts and show me where I have not said anything that was not on point?

Originally Posted by oracle80

Pgard,
If you can please answer as many of these questions as possible.

1) What is the average cost of maintaining a thoroughbred horse including vet bills, day rate by a trainer, shipping, and shoeing per year?

2) What percentage of owners show a profit on horses strictly through racing?

3) What is the formula for determining value of a sire before a stud deal is done?

4) Since the reformed tax legislation in the 80's which reversed the previous practice of being able to write off all horse racing business losses along with all other business losses, has ownership increased or decreased in thoroughbred horses?

WTF does this have to do with Polytrack?

Good job Oracle. Change the subject to something you know. Very creative. So I will do the same.

Breeding

1. What specifically in the female probably infers more stamina to progeny than what the sire can give genetically?

2. How does crossing over increase diversity of breeding, and how does it make outcomes of breeding even more difficult to predict?

3. How many regulatory v. protein producing genes do we think there are in the throughbred genome?

4. Why is your major arguement for Pik plays completely illogical, when you have made win bets on horses?

Your funny but I still like you. You get backed into a corner, and change to your comfort zone. Very typical for someone that has a bit of an inferiority complex.

Originally Posted by pgardn

WTF does this have to do with Polytrack?

Good job Oracle. Change the subject to something you know. Very creative. So I will do the same.

Breeding

1. What specifically in the female probably infers more stamina to progeny than what the sire can give genetically?

2. How does crossing over increase diversity of breeding, and how does it make outcomes of breeding even more difficult to predict?

3. How many regulatory v. protein producing genes do we think there are in the throughbred genome?

4. Why is your major arguement for Pik plays completely illogical, when you have made win bets on horses?

Your funny but I still like you. You get backed into a corner, and change to your comfort zone. Very typical for someone that has a bit of an inferiority complex.

LOL!!!
I'll take that to mean "I don't have the slightest clue, but I will continue to argue on about the economic side of the industry that I know absolutely nothing about"
The difference here is that I have never been arrogantor stupid enough to question your knowledge on science topics.
And as far as inferiority complexes go, you should see how angry you get when you can't argue something as intelligently as you argue your field, and show us so by often attempting to divert any argument into the scientific field where you feel more secure and knowledgable.

Originally Posted by oracle80

LOL!!!
I'll take that to mean "I don't have the slightest clue, but I will continue to argue on about the economic side of the industry that I know absolutely nothing about"
The difference here is that I have never been arrogantor stupid enough to question your knowledge on science topics.
And as far as inferiority complexes go, you should see how angry you get when you can't argue something as intelligently as you argue your field, and show us so by often attempting to divert any argument into the scientific field where you feel more secure and knowledgable.

And what was my SPECIFIC arguement AGAINST YOUR SPECIFIC KNOWLEGE OF POLYTRACK? Not of horse racing in general. Cmon man. Im a little more with it than that. Dont side issue me, and then get upset when I do the same. You did it again. You use the same complaint of my questioning and your own accomplished exactly the same thing. Stop with it. Its old and it does not wash with me. Come out straight and you will have no problems with me.

Originally Posted by pgardn

And what was my SPECIFIC arguement AGAINST YOUR SPECIFIC KNOWLEGE OF POLYTRACK? Not of horse racing in general. Cmon man. Im a little more with it than that. Dont side issue me, and then get upset when I do the same. You did it again. You use the same complaint of my questioning and your own accomplished exactly the same thing. Stop with it. Its old and it does not wash with me. Come out straight and you will have no problems with me.

Pat I'm always straight with you and don't have any problems with you.
But you really don't have any idea how you sound trying to lecture people about a business that they know. Like i said, the day I lecture you about science, you can call me a ****ing idiot and I will deserve it and accept it without complaint.

[SentToStud]

Originally Posted by oracle80

Pgard,
If you can please answer as many of these questions as possible.

1) What is the average cost of maintaining a thoroughbred horse including vet bills, day rate by a trainer, shipping, and shoeing per year?

2) What percentage of owners show a profit on horses strictly through racing?

3) What is the formula for determining value of a sire before a stud deal is done?

4) Since the reformed tax legislation in the 80's which reversed the previous practice of being able to write off all horse racing business losses along with all other business losses, has ownership increased or decreased in thoroughbred horses?

1. $40k
2, 5%
3. E=MC(squared)
4. Decreased

Pretty sure about #3. The rest, not so certain.

Originally Posted by pba1817

I sympathize with your situation, I truly do. But in all honesty, having such financial interest in the industry, you should have been as best prepared as you could for this change when it was announced a few years ago.

I think that the better breeds still drop the fastest horses, regardless of racing surface, some breeds will rise, some will fall, but overall I do not think there will be a major change of tides in the breeding industry.

Thanks for the advice, Socrates ...I suppose all of those men and women wearing our colors fighting over in Iraq right now should have been better prepared with their lives a few years ago too, right

[pba1817]

Originally Posted by Cunningham Racing

Thanks for the advice, Socrates ...I suppose all of those men and women wearing our colors fighting over in Iraq right now should have been better prepared with their lives a few years ago too, right

What in the hell is wrong with you?

Can you stay within the subject at hand?

It's very difficult to have a discussion with someone who cannot stay focused on the topic of the discussion.

[TitanSooner]

Originally Posted by Cunningham Racing

Thanks for the advice, Socrates ...I suppose all of those men and women wearing our colors fighting over in Iraq right now should have been better prepared with their lives a few years ago too, right

that's the dumbest, most disrespectful post I've ever read.

in fact, it's downright retarded.

Originally Posted by TitanSooner

that's the dumbest, most disrespectful post I've ever read.

in fact, it's downright retarded.

I think the point is that you can't always plan for stupidity, extreme measures, and propoganda. I see direct parallels in both situations.

[TitanSooner]

I disagree. People are dying over there for us. Him worried about his career in the breeding business may be a problem, as we have all had career problems, but he's going to be ok.

dumb.dumb.dumb

These new Cali folks pretty much reinforce everything I ever heard about them.

[TitanSooner]

Originally Posted by oracle80

These new Cali folks pretty much reinforce everything I ever heard about them.

and.. there it is!!

couldn't resist, could you.

Originally Posted by TitanSooner

I disagree. People are dying over there for us. Him worried about his career in the breeding business may be a problem, as we have all had career problems, but he's going to be ok.

dumb.dumb.dumb

I'm sorry but they're not dying for me. They're dying for reasons that make me sick to my stomach.

[Pointg5]

Kasept brought this up before...Just imagine what KEE would be like, if they just fixed the configuration and not put down the Poly...They already have the Poly training track, so let them train on it and run on the main track...It's speculation, but maybe KEE would be more than just a MSW track and they would be more relevant in the BC and Triple Crown races...

Originally Posted by TitanSooner

that's the dumbest, most disrespectful post I've ever read.

in fact, it's downright retarded.

He has every right to be emotional about the subject. The comparison is a little extreme but I completely understand the point he is making.

Lets face it, sometimes change isn't good.