My theory and feelings on Polytrack

[TitanSooner]

Originally Posted by Cunningham Racing

So, what if Storm Cats and A.P. Indys don't like it? Do we now stand them for $5K stud fee and weed then out of the Thoroughbred chain?

Why should we have to dillute and re-tool our breeding to tailor it to a new surface? It is going to screw up the legacy and classic bloodlines of our industrys greats - wrecking tradition after tradition and screwing with our history and heritage....

I strongly disagree with you....I don't want our breed to change - the same way as I don't want 5'5" 160-pound guys excelling in football if the NFL were to hypothetically change their surface of playing field from grass or artificial turf to playing on cotton pillows, would you?

Maybe Lemon Drops Kid will be the leading sire on that crap and Storm Cat will become an after-thought...do you really want that to happen?

how do you group them together in this context?? don't certain players excel on the artificial turf more so than on real grass.. come on!!! They've ruined the NFL.

sounds silly doesn't it.

Originally Posted by TitanSooner

how do you group them together in this context?? don't certain players excel on the artificial turf than real grass.. come on!!! They've ruined the NFL.

sounds silly doesn't it.

LOL!!! Thanks for making my point Titan, and Joels as well without realizing it.
When artificial turf came about the teams(baseball and football) and league were sold on it the same EXACT way that the tracks have been sold on Poly. They were told of no maintenance costs, and convinced that it would be just as safe as grass.
Funny that almost every stadium that put in has ripped it out, and that all new stadiums built use grass. The only holdovers being domes with no retractable roofs.
If you don't see the irony of that, well.........................

I'm not completely sold on the surface being safer. The way some horses have been slipping and sliding at Keeneland it's only a matter of time before a major spill happens.

Hopefully then the silent majority will speak up.

[kentuckyrosesinmay]

Well, I do think that polytrack prevents breakdowns, but we have dirt surfaces here in the United States that are pretty safe as well. Of course, no surface is going to prevent EVERY horse from breaking down. Heck, I've had horses break down just playing around in the pastures before.

Originally Posted by Pillow Pants

I'm not completely sold on the surface being safer. The way some horses have been slipping and sliding at Keeneland it's only a matter of time before a major spill happens.

Hopefully then the silent majority will speak up.

Quote by Gary Stevens was that last spring he saw a lotta sore horses in the back end at Turfway.
yeah, you avoid breakdowns and deaths ON THE TRACK.
But vets are working overtime with back ends, and tendons and suspensories that get ruined don't make the papers as breakdowns.
Theres a lotta propaganda out there.
I think Himmler is handling the PR on this deal.

Originally Posted by oracle80

LOL!!! Thanks for making my point Titan, and Joels as well without realizing it.
When artificial turf came about the teams(baseball and football) and league were sold on it the same EXACT way that the tracks have been sold on Poly. They were told of no maintenance costs, and convinced that it would be just as safe as grass.
Funny that almost every stadium that put in has ripped it out, and that all new stadiums built use grass. The only holdovers being domes with no retractable roofs.
If you don't see the irony of that, well.........................

Irony. Oracle you just pulled your own.
Now you just ruined your own point by bringing up injuries. Grass in football has been brought back mainly because of injuries. Oracle, you did exactly what you claimed what someone else did. Ruin your own point. The initial results do look like polytrac may be best for the safety of the animals. But I withold on this. To little data still. But it clearly is leaning one way at present.

Originally Posted by pgardn

Irony. Oracle you just pulled your own.
Now you just ruined your own point by bringing up injuries. Grass has been brought back mainly because of injuries. Oracle, you did exactly what you claimed what someone else did. Ruin your own point. The initial results do look like polytrac may be best for the safety of the animals. But I withold on this. To little data still. But it clearly is leaning one way at present.

YOu talk to a lotta trainers and owners about hind end problems, and tendons do you?
Obviously not. You read what you read, and call it a fact.
You don't know the whole story.

Originally Posted by oracle80

YOu talk to a lotta trainers and owners about hind end problems, and tendons do you?
Obviously not. You read what you read, and call it a fact.
You don't know the whole story.

Oracle you got a story then. We need you to write an article with sources (you gotta em all) that polytrack has more of an injury down side than dirt. And when did I say anything was a FACT. Read my post buddy. When did I write the word Fact?

[TitanSooner]

Originally Posted by oracle80

LOL!!! Thanks for making my point Titan, and Joels as well without realizing it.
When artificial turf came about the teams(baseball and football) and league were sold on it the same EXACT way that the tracks have been sold on Poly. They were told of no maintenance costs, and convinced that it would be just as safe as grass.
Funny that almost every stadium that put in has ripped it out, and that all new stadiums built use grass. The only holdovers being domes with no retractable roofs.
If you don't see the irony of that, well.........................

and they've now created artificial surfaces that are much closer to the real thing.. it took some time but they've found it. I'm certain that the artificial race track will evolve the same way and trainers will find methods to be more effective on it.

Again, if I do not accept the polytrack then I am going to be SOL on playing the horses out here on California which is not something I'm ready to do. Some might not want to play it, and that's their choice.

In a few years I think that everything will be just fine. Those that do not want to play will stop, those that continue to play will learn, and new blood will be brought into the game.


And God will be happy that we are treating his precious Thoroughbred much better.

Originally Posted by TitanSooner

and they've now created artificial surfaces that are much closer to the real thing.. it took some time but they've found it. I'm certain that the artificial race track will evolve the same way and trainers will find methods to be more effective on it.

Again, if I do not accept the polytrack then I am going to be SOL on playing the horses out here on California which is not something I'm ready to do. Some might not want to play it, and that's their choice.

In a few years I think that everything will be just fine. Those that do not want to play will stop, those that continue to play will learn, and new blood will be brought into the game.


And God will be happy that we are treating his precious Thoroughbred much better.

New blood isn't coming NOW!!!!!!!! THATS THE BIGGEST PROBLEM WE HAVE!!!!! WHAT THE HELL MAKES YOU THINK NEW BLOOD WILL COME IF WE DESTROY THE FINANCIAL STRUCTURE!!!??????