My theory and feelings on Polytrack

Its kinda like I am getting the feeling you are saying God made these animals for our pleasure to watch run in an oval around a dirt track. That is... well, to be nice, more than silly. I understand people do not like change. And the industry may be jumping on the stuff too fast for what some people who dont like change are used to. I can understand that.

[kentuckyrosesinmay]

Originally Posted by pgardn

Its kinda like I am getting the feeling you are saying God made these animals for our pleasure to watch run in an oval around a dirt track. That is... well, to be nice, more than silly. I understand people do not like change. And the industry may be jumping on the stuff too fast for what some people who dont like change are used to. I can understand that.

If this was directed towards me, that is not the case at all. You are assuming that I have ideas that I don't actually hold. You implied in your post that the first horses did not run on sand, and that just isn't true. I was just pointing out that the first hot-blooded horses were those that ran on desert sand, not on grass or polytrack. Sure, we've selectively bred Thoroughbreds for increased speed throughout the decades. But, that doesn't not change the fact that the first horses ran on sand. Also, the species of Equus caballus is a lot more than 400 years old.

I stand firm against polytrack because I believe that there are better ways to handle the issue of breakdowns in racehorses. All polytrack does is cover up the REAL problems of racing like breeding, drugs, and crooked training and management methods.

Originally Posted by kentuckyrosesinmay

If this was directed towards me, that is not the case at all. You are assuming that I have ideas that I don't actually hold. You implied in your post that the first horses did not run on sand, and that just isn't true. I was just pointing out that the first hot-blooded horses were those that ran on desert sand, not on grass or polytrack. Sure, we've selectively bred Thoroughbreds for increased speed throughout the decades. But, that doesn't not change the fact that the first horses ran on sand. Also, the species of Equus caballus is a lot more than 400 years old.

I stand firm against polytrack because I believe that there are better ways to handle the issue of breakdowns in racehorses. All polytrack does is cover up the REAL problems of racing like breeding, drugs, and crooked training and management methods.

No it was not. Cunninghams first post. Sorry.

Originally Posted by pgardn

Its kinda like I am getting the feeling you are saying God made these animals for our pleasure to watch run in an oval around a dirt track. That is... well, to be nice, more than silly. I understand people do not like change. And the industry may be jumping on the stuff too fast for what some people who dont like change are used to. I can understand that.

No, thats not what I'm saying, genius...follow along little Joey:

God gave frogs long tongues to catch their prey, he gave lizards a green/camillian (sp?) complextion to hide from its predators, he gave bears long claws to hunt in the wild and creeks for food, ETC. ETC. ETC..... could go on for days.....

In terms of MOBILITY, he gave fish fins to swim through their climate, which is water, HE GAVE HORSES THE HOOVES AND BIO-MECHANICS TO RUN OVER DIRT AND GRASS, PERIOD....

Understand now?

[pba1817]

Originally Posted by Cunningham Racing

No, thats not what I'm saying, genius...follow along little Joey:

God gave frogs long tongues to catch their prey, he gave lizards a green/camillian (sp?) complextion to hide from its predators, he gave bears long claws to hunt in the wild and creeks for food, ETC. ETC. ETC..... could go on for days.....

In terms of MOBILITY, he gave fish fins to swim through their climate, which is water, HE GAVE HORSES THE HOOVES AND BIO-MECHANICS TO RUN OVER DIRT AND GRASS, PERIOD....

Understand now?

What's god got to do with any of this??

Originally Posted by pba1817

What's god got to do with any of this??

Do you believe he created you? Do you believe he created horses? If not, I understand....you don't apply to this conversation if you don't believe in your creator....It requires that basis to drive my arguement home....the 'Big Bang' theory doesn't work here....

[pba1817]

Originally Posted by Cunningham Racing

Do you believe he created you? Do you believe he created horses? If not, I understand....you don't apply to this conversation if you don't believe in your creator....It requires that basis to drive my arguement home....the 'Big Bang' theory doesn't work here....

Our beliefs about a creator are 100% irrelevant to the Polytrack situation... if this is your the way you need to go to justify your angle, then you probably should refrain from replying to any of my posts any longer....

Originally Posted by pba1817

Our beliefs about a creator are 100% irrelevant to the Polytrack situation... if this is your the way you need to go to justify your angle, then you probably should refrain from replying to any of my posts any longer....

Only scientologists would approve of a switch to polytrack. Heck if they had it their way the only people who could ride horses would be a minimum of a 7th level thetan.

Originally Posted by pba1817

Our beliefs about a creator are 100% irrelevant to the Polytrack situation... if this is your the way you need to go to justify your angle, then you probably should refrain from replying to any of my posts any longer....

Really, so lets get this straight then....God built fish to swim though rubber, he built birds to fly through rubber and he built horses to run through rubber, right?

[pba1817]

Originally Posted by Cunningham Racing

Really, so lets get this straight then....God built fish to swim though rubber, he built birds to fly through rubber and he built horses to run through rubber, right?

This post proves my point in the fact that you cannot keep your attention level long enough on the subject at hand in order to have a decent, fruitful debate.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Cunningham Racing

Do you believe he created you? Do you believe he created horses? If not, I understand....you don't apply to this conversation if you don't believe in your creator....It requires that basis to drive my arguement home....the 'Big Bang' theory doesn't work here....

so if i don't believe in god i should like poly? or i shouldn't? not sure that it would matter one way or the other!!
after all, intelligent design would mean horses were created....sure doesn't look like eohippus out there to me!! where'd all the toes go?


lol just kidding a bit, i'm not trying to stir a darwin/evolution/creator/intelligent design discussion.


when you have tracks such as oaklawn and churchill, seems the others could have found a way to have a safe dirt track...or just go with turf, both all natural surfaces.

also, regarding breeding...if that bubble bursts a LOT of people are going to be out of business. a ton of them. you think coolmore and the sheik are bad for business now?? just wait til only the few are left, while the many are left wondering what the heck happened to their farms.


my 'you' above is directed to anyone who thinks that a few incredibly wealthy people are bad for the sport, not directed at cunningham....

Originally Posted by Danzig188

so if i don't believe in god i should like poly? or i shouldn't? not sure that it would matter one way or the other!!
after all, intelligent design would mean horses were created....sure doesn't look like eohippus out there to me!! where'd all the toes go?


lol just kidding a bit, i'm not trying to stir a darwin/evolution/creator/intelligent design discussion.


when you have tracks such as oaklawn and churchill, seems the others could have found a way to have a safe dirt track...or just go with turf, both all natural surfaces.

also, regarding breeding...if that bubble bursts a LOT of people are going to be out of business. a ton of them. you think coolmore and the sheik are bad for business now?? just wait til only the few are left, while the many are left wondering what the heck happened to their farms.

Zieg you are going to scare Patrick if you keep trying to use examples and facts that are outside his field of expertise.
Don't go using reasons like the possible financial disaster of the game to refute the religious reasons that horses should run on poly.

Originally Posted by oracle80

Zieg you are going to scare Patrick if you keep trying to use examples and facts that are outside his field of expertise.
Don't go using reasons like the possible financial disaster of the game to refute the religious reasons that horses should run on poly.

Yeah I can't wait until all of the tracks have poly and the sheikhs and coolmore and a few of the old bluebloods are left to dodge each other.

Can you say return of the match race? 4 horse Grade 1's?

[Danzig]

i just really feel that if turfway and other tracks can't run in the middle of winter due to safety, they shouldn't run then!! obviously certain sports aren't made for certain times of the year. winter racing belongs in the deep south, not in places that have hard freezes.

dirt isn't the problem, the overall handling of the sport and it's athletes is the problem. kyroses mentioned breeding and drug practices above--she's right!! what about all the surgically corrected foals? what about the unsound horses being bred because they're fast, but made of glass? what about bleeders?? bute now being allowed everywhere?? those are the problems, not dirt!!