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[Princess Doreen]

Originally Posted by Riot

I agree that Krauthammer can be very sharp about many things, but here he conflates Islam with radical Islamic movements, not being very specific about the difference.

I'm sick of the whole bigoted Muslim hate thing going on in America. It's appalling, shameful and stupid, and shouldn't be tolerated. It makes our country look ignorant. Radical Islam or terrorists are another story. The two are not one and the same.

The agenda and end result is the same - the way they go about it is different

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Princess Doreen

The agenda and end result is the same - the way they go about it is different

Just want to double check what you mean.

I wrote: "I'm sick of the whole bigoted Muslim hate thing going on in America. It's appalling, shameful and stupid, and shouldn't be tolerated. It makes our country look ignorant. Radical Islam or terrorists are another story. The two are not one and the same."

Are you saying radical Islam and terrorists are one and the same? Or that Muslim Americans and all Muslims are the same as radical Islam/terrorists?

[hoovesupsideyourhead]

shut up

[Princess Doreen]

[quote=Riot;751923]Just want to double check what you mean.

I wrote: "I'm sick of the whole bigoted Muslim hate thing going on in America. It's appalling, shameful and stupid, and shouldn't be tolerated. It makes our country look ignorant. Radical Islam or terrorists are another story. The two are not one and the same."

Are you saying radical Islam and terrorists are one and the same? Or that Muslim Americans and all Muslims are the same as radical Islam/terrorists?[/QUOTE]

Their agenda is the same - the terrorists are impatient; non-violent Muslims true to their religion employ stealth jihad. Nothing explains it better (for me, anyway) than this article -

http://www.legion.org/magazine/9907/stealth-jihad

"While Shariah deems jihad to be the personal obligation of every faithful Muslim capable of performing it – man or woman, young or old – they can forgo the violent form when it is deemed impracticable. In such circumstances, the struggle can be pursued through means that are, at least temporarily, non-violent. Taken together, the latter constitute what renowned author and expert Robert Spencer calls “stealth jihad.” Adherents to Shariah call it “dawah.” "

[Riot]

Doreen thinks:

Or that Muslim Americans and all Muslims are the same as radical Islam/terrorists?[/

Ah. Then I'll put you clearly into the religious bigot category.

[Princess Doreen]

Originally Posted by Riot

Doreen thinks:


Ah. Then I'll put you clearly into the religious bigot category.

That is patently unfair and untrue. Just because I don't fall into lock step with what you believe does not make me a bigot, and I resent such an accusation. You are not the owner of all the answers.

Shariah Law is everything to all Muslims - it is not just a belief, it is a way of life, and it is their politics. There are terrorists and there are moderates; HOWEVER, their agenda and goal is worldwide domination.

There is a lengthy white paper report on the subject that I suggest you take the time to read if the Stealth Jihad article was not to your liking.

http://europenews.dk/files/Shariah%2...2009142010.pdf

[Nascar1966]

Originally Posted by Princess Doreen

That is patently unfair and untrue. Just because I don't fall into lock step with what you believe does not make me a bigot, and I resent such an accusation. You are not the owner of all the answers.

Shariah Law is everything to all Muslims - it is not just a belief, it is a way of life, and it is their politics. There are terrorists and there are moderates; HOWEVER, their agenda and goal is worldwide domination.

There is a lengthy white paper report on the subject that I suggest you take the time to read if the Stealth Jihad article was not to your liking.

http://europenews.dk/files/Shariah%2...2009142010.pdf

You go girl. Next Riot will call you a hateful person.

[Princess Doreen]

Originally Posted by Nascar1966

Next Riot will call you a hateful person.

She already implied as much by calling me a religious bigot.

[Riot]

Shariah Law is everything to all Muslims - it is not just a belief, it is a way of life, and it is their politics. There are terrorists and there are moderates; HOWEVER, their agenda and goal is worldwide domination.

Nonsense. Muslims no more want to "dominate the world" than Jews or Christians. The vast majority of Muslims, and Muslim leaders, don't take a literal interpretation of the Quran, and have clearly stated and acted so. Exactly as the vast majority of Christians disregard the violence and literal nonsense in their bible.

The "worldwide domination" and "stealth Jihad" crap is fear mongering intolerance and ignorance of this entire religion plain and clear. Good luck with that. The rest of us don't have to tolerate it, however. This country was founded on religious freedom and tolerance, and doesn't abide - nor does it have to - by those with no respect for the freedom of one's fellow Americans, or the Constitution.

[Princess Doreen]

Originally Posted by Riot

Nonsense. Muslims no more want to "dominate the world" than Jews or Christians. The vast majority of Muslims, and Muslim leaders, don't take a literal interpretation of the Quran, and have clearly stated and acted so. Exactly as the vast majority of Christians disregard the violence and literal nonsense in their bible.

The "worldwide domination" and "stealth Jihad" crap is fear mongering intolerance and ignorance of this entire religion plain and clear. Good luck with that. The rest of us don't have to tolerate it, however. This country was founded on religious freedom and tolerance, and doesn't abide - nor does it have to - by those with no respect for the freedom of one's fellow Americans, or the Constitution.

"The rest of us" pay heed to the warning signals.

And, just where in anything I have said am I denying religious freedom to anyone. Honestly, Riot, you do turn ugly when someone disagrees with you.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by Riot

Doreen thinks:


Ah. Then I'll put you clearly into the religious bigot category.

So you think a religion that treats women as poorly as the Muslim religion does is a good one?

Its probably the worst religion going... though they all have major issues.

[Antitrust32]

Disclaimer so I'm not thought to be a bigot:

The only Muslims that I hate are the 100,000,000 Muslims that support a radical version of Islam and support the jihad.

I dont have a problem with the other 900,000,000, as long as they treat a woman they same as they treat a man.

With that said, it is not a good book at all though.

But I feel that the Old testiment is a bad book also... right up there with the Quran.

[Riot]

Disclaimer so I'm not thought to be a bigot:

The only Muslims that I hate are the 100,000,000 Muslims that support a radical version of Islam and support the jihad.

Can you explain how you arrived at the figure of 100,000,000?

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

So you think a religion that treats women as poorly as the Muslim religion does is a good one?

Its probably the worst religion going... though they all have major issues.

No, I don't think a religion that treats women poorly is a good one - like how some Christians dictate what a woman can do with her body. But that has absolutely nothing to do with the post you quoted. A more telling relationship would be you thinking that all Muslims treat women poorly. That's pretty right on. You're in the category, too.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Riot

No, I don't think a religion that treats women poorly is a good one - like how some Christians dictate what a woman can do with her body. You're in the category, too.

Your comparison between the treatment of muslim women and christians dictating what a woman does with her body is very telling. Those christians (you speak of) feel as though abortion is murder and their religion tells them so. Believe it or not their motivation is not in controlling women but preserving a life. Personally I think they should be responsible for themselves but can understand them not wanting their money to be used in what they consider a murder. Unlike their muslim counterpart they are not trying to tell a woman she can't date, drive, who to marry, how to dress, where they can go and who they can talk to. They also don't kill their daughters to preserve their honor and certainly don't circumcise their little girls. Though some Christians admittedly do insist on marrying a virgin.

But yea I see how you think they are similar

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by Riot

No, I don't think a religion that treats women poorly is a good one - like how some Christians dictate what a woman can do with her body. But that has absolutely nothing to do with the post you quoted. A more telling relationship would be you thinking that all Muslims treat women poorly. That's pretty right on. You're in the category, too.

no ma'am.

I'm in the realist category that you preach about high upon your pulpit.