Twirling Candy Love....

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by Dahoss

I think Morning Line is better than Twirling Candy. He has actually shown the ability to withstand serious pace pressure and still run very well. Not saying Twirling Candy can't, but his race was much easier quality wise on Saturday.

I thought it was an encouraging race by I Want Revenge (but how much could he possibly have left?) and Rule ran okay, while moving prematurely. IMO Sidney's Candy is better than Twirling Candy.

Come on man that was a bad bad group in the Donn. Where is Morning Line's fast race?

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by freddymo

Come on man that was a bad bad group in the Donn. Where is Morning Line's fast race?

They are all bad Freddy. That is the point. You guys are getting excited because a horse had a dream trip and crushed Tweebster and Make Music For me.

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by Dahoss

They are all bad Freddy. That is the point. You guys are getting excited because a horse had a dream trip and crushed Tweebster and Make Music For me.

My point was they are all bad, but at least TC is winning races.

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by Dahoss

They are all bad Freddy. That is the point. You guys are getting excited because a horse had a dream trip and crushed Tweebster and Make Music For me.

A dream trip for that horse is unpressed on a loose lead not galloping a half under restraint. This is the flaw I think many make. If that horse wanted too he could have run a bigger race by simply burying bad horses and running off.

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by freddymo

A dream trip for that horse is unpressed on a loose lead not galloping a half under restraint. This is the flaw I think many make. If that horse wanted too he could have run a bigger race by simply burying bad horses and running off.

A dream trip for every horse is unpressed galloping on a loose lead.

[RolloTomasi]

Originally Posted by freddymo

A dream trip for that horse is unpressed on a loose lead not galloping a half under restraint. This is the flaw I think many make. If that horse wanted too he could have run a bigger race by simply burying bad horses and running off.

Hah! Who's flip flopping now?

This morning he was rating kindly from all the "learning" he'd done by skipping the BC Classic after having his tail shoved between his legs in the Goodwood by the West Coast version of Giant Oak...Richard's Kid.

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by RolloTomasi

Hah! Who's flip flopping now?

This morning he was rating kindly from all the "learning" he'd done by skipping the BC Classic after having his tail shoved between his legs in the Goodwood by the West Coast version of Giant Oak...Richard's Kid.

Up to this point Richards Kid and Giant Oak are pretty similar, but I would say as of now Richards Kid is still better. The Goodwood has nothing to do with TC ability. Going long on dirt, is different from going long on crap.

[RolloTomasi]

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

Up to this point Richards Kid and Giant Oak are pretty similar, but I would say as of now Richards Kid is still better.

I was just teasing Freddy with that. Besides, he still has yet to come up with an answer as to why Morning Line getting tagged by Dakota Phone in the BC Mile after BC Sprint-like fractions is worse than Twirling Candy getting outright passed by Dakota Phone after merely solid fractions.

I think we all agree Dakota Phone is no Richard's Kid...or Giant Oak.

The Goodwood has nothing to do with TC ability. Going long on dirt, is different from going long on crap.

Yeah, I was waiting for this.

He handles all 3 surfaces, but each only over certain distances.

I guess that downhill slide from a 108 Beyer at 7f down to 101 at 9f over the same surface doesn't suggest anything about his ability to go long.

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by RolloTomasi

Hah! Who's flip flopping now?

This morning he was rating kindly from all the "learning" he'd done by skipping the BC Classic after having his tail shoved between his legs in the Goodwood by the West Coast version of Giant Oak...Richard's Kid.

My point is that Twirling Candy best race currently would be loose on a n uncontested lead that doesnt suggest he cant rate or wont we already watched him rate didnt we?

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by freddymo

My point is that Twirling Candy best race currently would be loose on a n uncontested lead that doesnt suggest he cant rate or wont we already watched him rate didnt we?

He rates fine. Im not even sure why thats an issue.

[RolloTomasi]

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

He rates fine. Im not even sure why thats an issue.

The only time Twirling Candy rated around two turns was in the Oceanside, where Macias led, open-mouthed until midstretch. One race later, Macias nearly killed himself running off in the La Jolla to the benefit of Sidney's Candy's inflated reputation.

Otherwise, Twirling Candy has "pulled", which is hardly rating fine. That style won't be ideal for a race with multiple pace rivals, eg. the most recent BC Classic...or this year's Donn.

[Kasept]

Originally Posted by freddymo

Come on man that was a bad bad group in the Donn. Where is Morning Line's fast race?

He is consistantly fast Freddy, though not blindingly so. He stays a route of ground at a high and level cruising speed. I'm not sure why you would require a Tiznow out of an A.P. Indy mare to be excruciatingly fast, but the BC Mile and the SAR Allowance win were both negative numbers for him on Thoro-Graph coming in, and Saturday's race will fall close to a -1 as well. (That would be a top for him.)

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by Kasept

He is consistantly fast Freddy, though not blindingly so. He stays a route of ground at a high and level cruising speed. I'm not sure why you would require a Tiznow out of an A.P. Indy mare to be excruciatingly fast, but the BC Mile and the SAR Allowance win were both negative numbers for him on Thoro-Graph coming in, and Saturday's race will fall close to a -1 as well. (That would be a top for him.)

Love his guts and gameness how couldnt you. He is gorgeous colt and looks the part. Where is his fast race loosing to Datoka Phone at 30/1 or staying 9f's in front of a couple of cripples?