The 3-year-old males

[King Glorious]

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

I have never dismissed a newcomer and in general they never seem dismissed to me. Dunkirk and Curlin come to mind.

And Big Brown, Bernardini, Smarty Jones, Flower Alley, Summer Bird, Rock Hard Ten, Eskendereya.....

The newcomers aren't dismissed but not all of us forget about the reigning leaders just because they haven't raced recently. The returning leaders have to prove they still belong; the newcomers have to prove they belong. Both groups have something to prove but if I'm going to give the benefit of the doubt to anyone, it's gonna be to the ones that have at least showed it in top company before.

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by King Glorious

And Big Brown, Bernardini, Smarty Jones, Flower Alley, Summer Bird, Rock Hard Ten, Eskendereya.....

The newcomers aren't dismissed but not all of us forget about the reigning leaders just because they haven't raced recently. The returning leaders have to prove they still belong; the newcomers have to prove they belong. Both groups have something to prove but if I'm going to give the benefit of the doubt to anyone, it's gonna be to the ones that have at least showed it in top company before.

2 on your list were not new comers.

[King Glorious]

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

2 on your list were not new comers.

Which two?

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by King Glorious

Which two?

Big Brown was on a lot of peoples radar. He ran off to a huge turf win at Saratoga at 2. Eskendereya won an off the turf race for fun at 2 and proved he was really a dirt horse. I bet him in the BC Juvy and if that race was on dirt I am sure he would have made some noise. Im pretty sure Smarty ran at 2.

[King Glorious]

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

Big Brown was on a lot of peoples radar. He ran off to a huge turf win at Saratoga at 2. Eskendereya won an off the turf race for fun at 2 and proved he was really a dirt horse. I bet him in the BC Juvy and if that race was on dirt I am sure he would have made some noise. Im pretty sure Smarty ran at 2.

Yes, they all ran as 2yos. I didn't think any of them were on the on the radar as far as being serious TC candidates through the first month of their sophomore seasons though. Nowhere near the top of most lists so that's what I consider a newcomer.

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by King Glorious

Yes, they all ran as 2yos. I didn't think any of them were on the on the radar as far as being serious TC candidates through the first month of their sophomore seasons though. Nowhere near the top of most lists so that's what I consider a newcomer.

Eskendereya was in Joey S December top 5.
Good points on everyone else.

[King Glorious]

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

Eskendereya was in Joey S December top 5.
Good points on everyone else.

Smarty Jones was my second favorite (behind Lion Heart) after the Count Fleet in early January. But just because I had him, I still know that he wasn't on most people's lists.