Gotta love Watchmaker....

Originally Posted by repent

lol,
well I really dont know or care about the physique of Seattle.
im 5"10 and 140 lbs.
some may think Im too thin.
but I can run all day and Im cool with my body.
thats all that matters.
Coach Bob Knight has put on weight over the years and I respect him more as a person than just about anyone on this planet.

unless its a chic that Im going to do, i dont care how heavy a person is.


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Pent, at the college I went to we had a motto, big girls need lovin too.

[repent]

Originally Posted by oracle80

Pent, at the college I went to we had a motto, big girls need lovin too.

lol,
thats funny.

its just a thing with me.
cant be with someone heavier than me.
seems unnatural or something.
im weird though.


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Originally Posted by repent

lol,
thats funny.

its just a thing with me.
cant be with someone heavier than me.
seems unnatural or something.
im weird though.


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Guy in my fraternity, "Brother Raj" was in the US on a college visa. he didn't wanna go home. So he kept adding majors and minors in order to keep going to school.
Funniest guy you ever met in your life, Indian dude who drank hard and boasted of having been with more "tons" of women than anyone in the frat. I asked him one night how big the biggest one was, and he responded with a big grin in that accent " 300 easily". LOL!!!!!!!!!!!! He probably weighed 130 soaking wet.

[SentToStud]

Originally Posted by oracle80

Guy in my fraternity, "Brother Raj" was in the US on a college visa. he didn't wanna go home. So he kept adding majors and minors in order to keep going to school.
Funniest guy you ever met in your life, Indian dude who drank hard and boasted of having been with more "tons" of women than anyone in the frat. I asked him one night how big the biggest one was, and he responded with a big grin in that accent " 300 easily". LOL!!!!!!!!!!!! He probably weighed 130 soaking wet.

Brave Raj was probably named after him.

Originally Posted by SentToStud

Brave Raj was probably named after him.

LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
He certainly was!!! He was the kinda guy where you always knew where he would be every night near closing time. He was always near the pool table in the back whispering sweet nothings into the ear of the biggest girl in the place. You'd yell over to him, and he'd just turn and grin from ear to ear. I always wondered how he ended up and where he is. My best guess is that he married one of the fat ladys at the circus and runs the beer concession.

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by oracle80

Pent, at the college I went to we had a motto, big girls need lovin too.

*Raises hand*

How bout bootylicious women? LMFAO!

[repent]

lol,
talk to you guys later.
take it easy on Seattle.
one of the nicest guys you will run across online.


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[Sightseek]

One of the racing publications has written that No Biz will pass on the Juvie and go to the Remsen.

Originally Posted by Sightseek

One of the racing publications has written that No Biz will pass on the Juvie and go to the Remsen.

Very sharp minds tend to think alike!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Originally Posted by Sightseek

One of the racing publications has written that No Biz will pass on the Juvie and go to the Remsen.

Thats sucks...I really wanted him to come to Louisville and get some more of SCAT DADDY!!! --But, I think we all knew he wouldn't ship and come back on three weeks in that barn, which is the most conservative in the game....

I was SHOCKED he brought Showing Up to the Derby on just three weeks rest and the minor ailment the horse had after the Lexington Stakes....shocked....but really when it comes down to it, Tagg is as conservative as they come...

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by Cunningham Racing

Thats sucks...I really wanted him to come to Louisville and get some more of SCAT DADDY!!! --But, I think we all knew he wouldn't ship and come back on three weeks in that barn, which is the most conservative in the game....

I was SHOCKED he brought Showing Up to the Derby on just three weeks rest and the minor ailment the horse had after the Lexington Stakes....shocked....but really when it comes down to it, Tagg is as conservative as they come...

I was shocked as well. I think that out of every horse that ran in the derby (with the exception of Barbaro ), I was most impressed with Showing Up. He was in the front pack the whole way, and still managed to fight gamely for 6th. He's one hell of a horse. A lot better than I originally thought.

Originally Posted by Cunningham Racing

Thats sucks...I really wanted him to come to Louisville and get some more of SCAT DADDY!!! --But, I think we all knew he wouldn't ship and come back on three weeks in that barn, which is the most conservative in the game....

I was SHOCKED he brought Showing Up to the Derby on just three weeks rest and the minor ailment the horse had after the Lexington Stakes....shocked....but really when it comes down to it, Tagg is as conservative as they come...

Joel three weeks back is very tough on a two year old, especially one who has to ship to do it. I couldn't blame anyone for not doing that. I think its the prudent move.

[kentuckyrosesinmay]

Originally Posted by Sightseek

One of the racing publications has written that No Biz will pass on the Juvie and go to the Remsen.

Guys, this tells you that Tagg believes that this horse is definitely derby material. He's saving him for next year, and as of right now, this is my derby horse. Well, actually, I made a bold prediction and said this was my derby horse just after he broke his maiden. It'll probably change like a million times between now and next May though.

Good move Tagg. FC skipped the Juvy also because Tagg felt that FC was Derby material. It paid off.

[philcski]

Originally Posted by kentuckyrosesinmay

Guys, this tells you that Tagg believes that this horse is definitely derby material. He's saving him for next year, and as of right now, this is my derby horse. Well, actually, I made a bold prediction and said this was my derby horse just after he broke his maiden. It'll probably change like a million times between now and next May though.

Good move Tagg. FC skipped the Juvy also because Tagg felt that FC was Derby material. It paid off.

Well... he sorta skipped the BCJ... went on NYB Showcase day, the Sleepy Hollow, instead (the week before) and obviously a weaker group that he was a layup against.
Good move? Definitely.

[King Glorious]

Originally Posted by kentuckyrosesinmay

Guys, this tells you that Tagg believes that this horse is definitely derby material. He's saving him for next year, and as of right now, this is my derby horse. Well, actually, I made a bold prediction and said this was my derby horse just after he broke his maiden. It'll probably change like a million times between now and next May though.

Good move Tagg. FC skipped the Juvy also because Tagg felt that FC was Derby material. It paid off.

I disagree with this completely. Since the BC series was started in 1984, runners out of the BCJ have had MUCH more success in the TC races than those from the Remsen. Consider this information:

Runners that ran 1-2-3 in the races and then won a Classic

Juvenile
Tank's Prospect
Spend a Buck
Alysheba (2)
Easy Goer
Tabasco Cat (2)
Timber Country
Editor's Note
Point Given (2)
Afleet Alex (2)

Remsen
Pine Bluff (also ran in the BC)
Go for Gin
Thunder Gulch (2)
Empire Maker

That's 9-4 in number of horses and 13-5 in number of Classic races won. This doesn't even include horses that ran in the BC that didn't hit the board but still won a Classic the following year. U could add Danzig Connection, Bet Twice, Go and Go, Pine Bluff, Sea Hero, Lemon Drop Kid. It also doesn't include a horse like Cat Thief, who went on the win the BC Classic the next year. It also doesn't include horses like Blumin Affair and Tejano Run who also finished on the board in the Derby. And if u look and see how many horses from both races went on to win grade ones the next year, the clear advantage is even more lopsided in favor of the BC Juvenile.

The point here is that for all this talk about a silly jinx (and it's hard to dispute the fact that no horse has won both yet), the BC Juvenile is a much better place to look for a 2yo that will go on to have success as a 3yo. Running in the BC does NOT mess up a 2yo for his 3yo season. If u've got a talented horse, run him. Skipping the BC because u think that's a better way to get to the Derby, a race six months down the line, is stupid. So much can and often does happen between now and then.

[blackthroatedwind]

First of all, the BC jinx is silliness, I agree with you on that and it isn't even worth discussing.

However, on your other example....yer kidding...right? Considering the BC Juvenile in THE race for 2YOs while the Remsen is one of a few late season 2YO races, and not exactly one that horses point to en masse like the BC Juvenile, I would say the numbers you pointed out show, if anything, the Remsen to be a staggeringly solid race as far as pointing out TC contendors.

Now, I don't believe in any of this, as theoretically all three of the major racetrack late season preps, the KY Jockey Club, the Hollywood Futurity and the Remsen should always be reasonable indicators of the next years TC races, but the comparison you chose does not support your point...if there really could even be a realistic one.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by King Glorious

I disagree with this completely. Since the BC series was started in 1984, runners out of the BCJ have had MUCH more success in the TC races than those from the Remsen. Consider this information:

Runners that ran 1-2-3 in the races and then won a Classic

Juvenile
Tank's Prospect
Spend a Buck
Alysheba (2)
Easy Goer
Tabasco Cat (2)
Timber Country
Editor's Note
Point Given (2)
Afleet Alex (2)

Remsen
Pine Bluff (also ran in the BC)
Go for Gin
Thunder Gulch (2)
Empire Maker

That's 9-4 in number of horses and 13-5 in number of Classic races won. This doesn't even include horses that ran in the BC that didn't hit the board but still won a Classic the following year. U could add Danzig Connection, Bet Twice, Go and Go, Pine Bluff, Sea Hero, Lemon Drop Kid. It also doesn't include a horse like Cat Thief, who went on the win the BC Classic the next year. It also doesn't include horses like Blumin Affair and Tejano Run who also finished on the board in the Derby. And if u look and see how many horses from both races went on to win grade ones the next year, the clear advantage is even more lopsided in favor of the BC Juvenile.

The point here is that for all this talk about a silly jinx (and it's hard to dispute the fact that no horse has won both yet), the BC Juvenile is a much better place to look for a 2yo that will go on to have success as a 3yo. Running in the BC does NOT mess up a 2yo for his 3yo season. If u've got a talented horse, run him. Skipping the BC because u think that's a better way to get to the Derby, a race six months down the line, is stupid. So much can and often does happen between now and then.

i remember when zito passed on the bcj a few years ago when he seemed loaded to the gills with talent. he had eurosilver among others...and said he was skipping to 'save' his horses for the derby. i said he was making a HUGE mistake, that if any of his juvies would be a viable contender, that he should run them in the bc. of course i was given ample harrassment, people telling me that 'zito knows what he's doing', he's the hall of famer, who was i to question..yadda yadda....at any rate, we all know how that turned out for nick.

if you have a good two year old, who you feel belongs in the bcj, and he's good to go--run him. there's no telling what will happen in the months to come. if you have a precocious youngster, race him.
now, i'm not saying this particular horse needs to run, it's entirely up to his connections...the spacing may not be right.
but everyone knows, or should know, that a horse who's good now may not be in the future...

a bird in the hand and all that.

as for any jinx, i think that's ridiculous.