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10-15-2006, 07:31 PM
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Oh its so easy after the race is over. 
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10-15-2006, 08:40 PM
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 By the way, you might want to go back and watch the race....there was NO speed dual at all...you're a little confused evidentally...Lukas' horse had an easy lead through a crawling opening quarter in 24 and change and Nobiz was actually towarsd the rear early with Scat Daddy....Scat Daddy didn't have the greatest of trips either IMO, as he was wider and had a lot to do for a 2-year-old......NLS slipped through the inside and had first run and got the jump on Scat Daddy while saving more ground and he still couldn't put away Lukas' horse....the best horse ran over them both.....end of story...Nobiz had no excuses other than he got outrun by a better animal....
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10-15-2006, 08:49 PM
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Hmmmm, a Tagg horse making his second start was beaten by about a length by a Pletcher horse making his thrid start.....and that is conclusive evidence that the winner is the " better animal "?
Yawn. It will be interesting to see how Scat Daddy does when forced to run without a six week vacation between starts. He seems like a decent horse, though I can't help but be skeptical about his future ( anybody see Keyed Entry recently? ), but it feels far from evident which horse is the better between Scat Daddy and NoBiz but I would guess NoBiz is a shorter price to win next year's Derby at this point.
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10-15-2006, 08:59 PM
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Scat Daddy will improve going two-turns IMO....maybe not 1 1/4 miles, but he'll love the BC Juvy distance.....and yes, I believe that he is a better animal than anything Albert the Great can produce.... By the way, Scat Daddy was making his fourth start....and that length margin could have further more than it could have been closer IMO.....he was greener than baby shiat the last sixteenth and basically put away NLS, who was struggling to put away Lukas' horse I might add, while only goofing around... Don't tell me you took 8-5 on that thing???....Ah man, I would hope your a better horse player than that, Andy.... 
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#5
10-15-2006, 09:06 PM
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Actually Senor Redboarder I bet Pegasus Wind because he was the true overlay in the race.
You really are the Yogi Berra of analogies, by the way, as that comparison between Keyed Entry and Commentator is somewhere between baffling and moronic.
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10-15-2006, 09:13 PM
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I know hat you meant....everyone on this board knows you think Pletcher breaks down all of his horses....its public knowledge, just like we know you think Zito is a horse whisperer...By the way, Pegasus Wind was a horrible play....got an easy lead and still croaked.....how could you lose that race after walking by yourself on the lead??? An overlay  ...hardly....he isn't on the same planet with Scat Daddy on talent....I've seen them both train extensively...Plus, Lukas isn't allowed to win big races anymore, is he?
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#8
10-15-2006, 09:42 PM
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Wow, Joel, that's a really sad post and inaccurate post. Commentator is a laimo, no doubt, as he didn't get to the races until August of his three year old year, whereupon he strung up five consecutive victories before sustaining an injury most likely during the Hal's Hope at Gulfstream. Following that he returned six months later and strung up two consecutive 120 plus Beyer figures including a defeat of Saint Liam in the Whitney at Saratoga. He was then injured in his next, and ninth start, in the Woodward. He returned ten months later to win an allowance at Belmont before his effort ( or non-effort ) in the Vosburgh. No doubt he has his share of physical problems, but he showed solid ability from the start and at least has been able to show it with a consistency even during his spotty career. Now Keyed Entry...ran once at 2 and won a slow race at Monmouth. He then returned six months later at Gulfstream where he exploded with a victory and improved his Beyer 35 points from his debut. He followed that up by outfooting multiple Grade 1 winning First Samurai and increased his Beyer figure another 14 points. He followed this sudden improvement with two solid, if less than spectacular efforts when stretching out only to be virtually eased in the KY Derby. He showed up another two months later in the Dwyer only to essentially be eased again. Exploded on the scene with two dynamic races, tailed off, disappeared. Perhaps you see a correlation between the two but to me if feels like two very different situations. But, your poor analysis doesn't stop there, as you then claim that I think " Pletcher breaks down all his horses ". It is here where you turn into a scumbag and not just an inaccurate analyst. Be very clear here, Joel, it is you that turned this into a fight by making outrageous and false claims about me. What I have said here on a number of occasions is that many horses from Todd's barn flash a lot of ability but fail to sustain these improvements and often pretty much disappear from the scene. This is not claiming he " breaks down " any or " all of his horses " but that he doesn't have a long resume of sustained improvement in horses. There is a substantial difference between these two things whether they fit your deranged againda or not. As for my supposed claims about Nick Zito....huh? He's my friend, that's something I have never hidden, but sorry if I can't recall the posts where I claimed he was " a horse whisperer ". Feel free to find them but mostly I have just said I root for him. I do think he's a good trainer, hell his record certainly indicates that, just as I have stated on many occasions that I think Todd Pletcher is a terrific trainer ( how could anybody not think that ) but they certainly have different styles. I never claimed that Pegusus Wind ran a great race but if you think he was a horrible play, at 21-1, after that race then you know absolutely nothing about betting on horse races. If the reasons for this aren't self-evident then there is nothing anyone can do to explain it to you. So, I posted that I disagreed with you about the perspective futures of NoBiz and Scat Daddy and you very quickly turned this into a fight where you libelled me by making false claims about me as well as inaccurately assessed a number of my comments in a further desperate attempt for a fight. Get a grip on yourself dude.
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10-15-2006, 09:30 PM
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The sire provides the brilliance and the dam provides the stamina on most occasions. His dam is heavy in stamina breeding and performance and there are Grade 1 winners around two turns in the second and third dam.... Plus, if I remember correctly Johannesburg won the BC Juvy at 1 1/16 miles and that is all I said about Scat Daddy...I admit that I'm skeptical about him getting Classic distances...I've said that many times already.....
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#10
10-15-2006, 09:22 PM
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Nobiz was a complete throwout imo and I stated so BEFORE the race. He actually performed much better than I thought. Pegasus really lengthened and was a great bet at those numbers.
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10-15-2006, 09:37 PM
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10-15-2006, 09:41 PM
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And I say you are wrong.
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10-15-2006, 09:46 PM
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10-16-2006, 12:19 AM
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The reality of the situation is that it really doesn't matter which particular Pletcher horse is running.For the most part,these horses don't get tired like other horses do(always a helpful advantage to have.)
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#15
10-15-2006, 08:55 PM
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--Dunbar
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Curlin and Hard Spun finish 1,2 in the 2007 BC Classic, demonstrating how competing in all three Triple Crown races ruins a horse for the rest of the year...see avatar photo from REUTERS/Lucas Jackson
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