Pioneer of the Nile misses the top 20....

[packerbacker7964]

I've seen or been around racing for maybe 10 of the whole list. This makes me Like it was said before they sometimes raced against 3-4 other horses in alot of races.

[randallscott35]

It's hard to compare different generations but I have a major problem with Bid being below any horse that has run since the 60's.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by randallscott35

It's hard to compare different generations but I have a major problem with Bid being below any horse that has run since the 60's.

A horse like Count Fleet simply shouldn't be rated ahead of horses like him and Dr. Fager.

Count Fleet lost a couple times to a horse named Occupation as a 2yo. Occupation was a nice sprinter who won four different Futurities at age two. He got sidelined and didn't come back till Count Fleet was retired - he just held on to win at Hawthorne on return.

Here's who Count Fleet was beating as a 3-year-old ...



Blue Swords was 2nd to him in the Derby and Preakness. He never won a single race after age 2.



This horse was 3rd in the Derby and 2nd in the Withers to Count Fleet.




This horse was 2nd to Count Fleet in a 3 horse Belmont...albeit beaten 20 lengths.


Count Fleet wasn't a slow horse by any means - it appears as though he was running figures in a 105-to-114 range at age 3.

He never ran again after the Belmont Stakes ... how do you compare a horse like that with something that runs about 130 figures carrying 130lbs like Bid and Dr. Fager as older horses?.. and they actually faced real competition and curb stomped their competition a lot of the time.