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12-03-2010, 01:48 PM
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The Zenyattards are still going strong I see.
18th best American runner ever. I can probably think of at least 18 fillies in my 25 years of watching racing that would beat Zenyatta at least 50% of the time. 
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#2
12-03-2010, 01:57 PM
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Just the fact that she is buffeted by Colin and Seabiscuit demonstrates the absurdity.
And War Admiral is behind her... Oh, as well as Bold Ruler, Alydar, Sunday Silence... 
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#3
12-03-2010, 02:12 PM
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Such victories - instead of narrow ones over Rinterval and St. Trinians - would have surely had to catapult her into the top five of all-time. However, Shirreffs is a very patient man - and didn't want to risk having Zenyatta extend herself too much until the big day. It's all about the one big day a year and the win/loss record.
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12-03-2010, 02:15 PM
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OMG
 
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12-03-2010, 10:13 PM
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12-03-2010, 02:04 PM
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Zenyatta probably would have beat dominant So. Cal division leader Nashoba's Key if Shirreffs didn't scratch her. Zenyatta probably would have beat the mighty Miss Isella over a sloppy track at Churchill if Shirreffs didn't scratch her. Zenyatta probably would have won the Breeders Cup Juvenile at two if Shirreffs wasn't so patient. Zenyatta probably would have been a great 3-year-old filly ... if only she didn't miss all the action. Obviously Zenyatta deserves to be rated ahead of recent horses like Skip Away, Cigar, and Ghostzapper ... those horses couldn't touch her... especially at the distance of 8.5 furlongs where she's known to light up the sundials you time her with.
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#7
12-03-2010, 02:16 PM
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I don't believe into all this because I've been watching racing for 20 years and haven't seen any of the horses run Live or on TV remote. Even on the 20of the 20th century Of All Time I've only seen Cigar and Zenny. So how am I to know anything about horses racing in the 60's and 70's. That's wrong with racing because every article talks about how much better the past is better than the present and future. Makes me sick.
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12-03-2010, 02:23 PM
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Basically, Jon White thinks that Zenyatta is the best horse - male or female - that we've seen since Spectacular Bid. Spectacular Bid is the 2nd to youngest horse on that list of his... and he last raced over 30 years ago.
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12-03-2010, 02:24 PM
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12-03-2010, 02:51 PM
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Bloodhorse rated Count Fleet #5 of the last century - if you saw the form of the horses he beat in those races - and looked at the times he was running in relation to the speed of the track - you'd want to load up on Smarty Jones against him. Let alone a Sunday Silence or Easy Goer. Man O' War is obviously a bad #1. He was born into a microscopic foal crop. After his Preakness win at age 3 .. which truly wasn't that fast even for the handful of horses around at that time .. he faced all 1-to-3 horse fields - and his brilliant early speed was great in match-race situations. His great claim to fame was beating Sir Barton in a match race in Canada .. Sir Barton never won another race. Citation, Kelso, Forego achieved a monsterous amount. Certainly great horses - but I think they would have been taken to the woodshed by a Spectacular Bid at distances of up to 10fs Native Dancer had a GREAT 2-year-old season. His Triple Crown campaign was very weak. Dr. Fager, Swaps, Tom Fool all truly great horses from every angle. I've finally had a chance to see some charts of their races and forms of opposition faced. Ruffian was a great filly at both 2 and 3 - but obviously she doesn't belong on this list. There are easily way more than 15 males better than her and maybe even a few females as well. Zenyatta never raced at two - accomplished nothing at 3 - and there's at least five older females unquestionably better than her. Princess Rooney would make no one's top 500 .. and she's run a 120 Beyer at 10fs ... was one of the most brilliant 2-year-old fillies of all-time ... and would beat Zenyatta by a city block at a distance of a mile.
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12-03-2010, 02:58 PM
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As I said a few weeks back when I mentioned this list, how one can compare Zenyatta to horses like Busher, Twilight Tear, and Gallorette - who ran against males with some regularity - and come to the conclusion that she was a superior runner is beyond me.
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#12
12-03-2010, 02:59 PM
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Steve - if you were meaning to "purple" the fillies, you left out Beldame.
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#13
12-03-2010, 03:01 PM
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I've seen or been around racing for maybe 10 of the whole list. This makes me
 Like it was said before they sometimes raced against 3-4 other horses in alot of races.
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#14
12-03-2010, 02:26 PM
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I thought Cigar made it. Dam now the list is even worse than I thought. I hate this BS Best of List. Could the teams of the 30's beat today world Series winners? Are they the Best of All Time. At least in other Sports teams make the All Time list that even a 10 yearold could say he saw them play. I'm not saying all of the old timer's couldn't run but come on not a one since the Late 70's early 80's. Hell that's over 30 years ago.
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#15
12-03-2010, 02:27 PM
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No Mineshaft. Disgraceful.
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#16
12-03-2010, 02:32 PM
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Don't know about Mineshaft that much only saw him run in person once. What about some of the other's Curlin, Zapper, Point Given. I think alot of horses would've had a better record only going against 12 others in the Derby instead of the stampede they have now. A good record means nothing to me in today's racing.
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