Trivia

[RolloTomasi]

Hollywood Derby Trivia

1) This filly beat the boys in the '83 Hollywood Derby. A course specialist, the following year she won the Beverly Hills, Inglewood (vs. colts), Matriarch, and BC Mile all at Hollywood Park. Name her.

2) This gelding chased Tight Spot all summer before just getting tagged by Royal Academy in the BC Mile. However, off the strength of late season wins in both the Hollywood Derby and Hollywood Turf Cup, he was able to earn champion turf horse. Name him.

3) The 1-2 finishers in the '92 Hollywood Derby were future stars in the national turf ranks. Both horses eventually placed in runnings of the BC Turf. One in '93, the other in '94. Name them.

4) Explosive Red was a front-running grass horse for Frank Stronach who took the Hollywood Derby in '93. However, his half-brother, by Chief's Crown, was more famous, earning the turf Eclipse by winning the BC Turf, coincidentally, run at Hollywood Park. Name him.

5) This horse was 3rd in the '01 Hollywood Derby. 2 years later, he was sprint champion. Name him.

6) In 1995, these two horses ran 1st and 3rd respectively, in the Hollywood Derby. Improbably, they hooked up again 3 years later in '98 in the BC Mile at CD. They reversed placings this time with the winner completing a phenomenal comeback and ruining his rival's unbeaten '98 record and bid for champion turf horse. Name both.

[KirisClown]

3. Bien Bien and Paradise Creek?

5. Labeeb and Da Hoss?

[blackthroatedwind]

2. Itsallgreektome?

[blackthroatedwind]

1. Royal Heroine

[Gaelic Storm]

4. Chief Bearhart

[Dahoss]

4. Chief Bearheart?

[RolloTomasi]

Originally Posted by KirisClown

3. Bien Bien and Paradise Creek?

5. Labeeb and Da Hoss?

Yep, but just for clarification, Paradise Creek won that Hollywood Derby (he was coming off good 2nd as part of the field behind Lure's first BC Mile). Bien Bien had spent most of the summer getting thrashed in dirt races (Travers, Super Derby), having somehow won a very weak renewal of the Swaps. He actually won the Hollywood Turf Cup in his next start over recent BC Turf winner Fraise (I think there was a DQ or something in there).

[Dahoss]

5 was trained by Frankel, but I can't remember his name.

[RolloTomasi]

The last one is fairly simple. He was coming from Europe (I think he ran once or twice at Belmont before this race), along with stablemate Denon (the winner), in that race.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by RolloTomasi

4) Explosive Red was a front-running grass horse for Frank Stronach who took the Hollywood Derby in '93. However, his half-brother, by Chief's Crown, was more famous, earning the turf Eclipse by winning the BC Turf, coincidentally, run at Hollywood Park. Name him.

I'm confused....wasn't the last BC at Hollywood in 1987? How could Chief's Crown have sired a winner of a BC there?

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

I'm confused....wasn't the last BC at Hollywood in 1987? How could Chief's Crown have sired a winner of a BC there?

It was there in 1997 also.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by Dahoss

It was there in 1997 also.

Right. I forgot. Didn't Skip Away win the Classic by like 50 lengths?

[blackthroatedwind]

5. I know Aldebaran was Sprint Champ in 2003....but I didn't realize he was 3rd in the Hollywood Derby.

[RolloTomasi]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

I'm confused....wasn't the last BC at Hollywood in 1987? How could Chief's Crown have sired a winner of a BC there?

Pathetic. How could you not remember Countess Diana burying Career Collection? Favorite Trick holding off Nationalore? Skip Away pummeling Dowty and Whiskey Wisdom? Elmhurst tagging Hesabull?

Are you even a fan of this sport?

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by RolloTomasi

Pathetic. How could you not remember Countess Diana burying Career Collection? Favorite Trick holding off Nationalore? Skip Away pummeling Dowty and Whiskey Wisdom? Elmhurst tagging Hesabull?

Are you even a fan of this sport?

The world begins and ends with me, and since I haven't been there since 1987, I just assumed the place was shut down.

By the way, I always loved the Hollywood Derby, but this year's field makes the Jamaica look like a solid race.

[RolloTomasi]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

The world begins and ends with me, and since I haven't been there since 1987, I just assumed the place was shut down.

By the way, I always loved the Hollywood Derby, but this year's field makes the Jamaica look like a solid race.

Yeah, it should be demoted to a Grade 2 off of this year alone.

It's sad, too, because with few exceptions since the '90s, the winners (and I presume some of the also-rans) went on to win major races on the turf as 4yos.

I don't think that trend will continue with this year's renewal.

At least it's still a 10f race.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by RolloTomasi

Yeah, it should be demoted to a Grade 2 off of this year alone.

It's sad, too, because with few exceptions since the '90s, the winners (and I presume some of the also-rans) went on to win major races on the turf as 4yos.

I don't think that trend will continue with this year's renewal.

At least it's still a 10f race.

There are simply, outside of Paddy O'Prado, no good 3YO turf horses. Hell, the half to Zenyatta, Souper Spectacular, that won two weeks ago at Aqueduct, would have a shot in here. Clever move running the Jamaica winner in the BC Marathon instead of this race. Then again, if he hadn't run, the BC wouldn't have gotten nearly as much mainstream press.

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by RolloTomasi

Hollywood Derby Trivia

1) This filly beat the boys in the '83 Hollywood Derby. A course specialist, the following year she won the Beverly Hills, Inglewood (vs. colts), Matriarch, and BC Mile all at Hollywood Park. Name her.

2) This gelding chased Tight Spot all summer before just getting tagged by Royal Academy in the BC Mile. However, off the strength of late season wins in both the Hollywood Derby and Hollywood Turf Cup, he was able to earn champion turf horse. Name him.

3) The 1-2 finishers in the '92 Hollywood Derby were future stars in the national turf ranks. Both horses eventually placed in runnings of the BC Turf. One in '93, the other in '94. Name them.

4) Explosive Red was a front-running grass horse for Frank Stronach who took the Hollywood Derby in '93. However, his half-brother, by Chief's Crown, was more famous, earning the turf Eclipse by winning the BC Turf, coincidentally, run at Hollywood Park. Name him.

5) This horse was 3rd in the '01 Hollywood Derby. 2 years later, he was sprint champion. Name him.

6) In 1995, these two horses ran 1st and 3rd respectively, in the Hollywood Derby. Improbably, they hooked up again 3 years later in '98 in the BC Mile at CD. They reversed placings this time with the winner completing a phenomenal comeback and ruining his rival's unbeaten '98 record and bid for champion turf horse. Name both.

1. Royal Heroine

2. Itsallgreektome

3. Paradise Creek and Bien Bien. I needed it the other way.

4. Chief Bearhart?

5. Squirtle Squirt?

6. Da Hoss and Fastness?

[Indian Charlie]

4.5 out of 6. I've done worse.

[RolloTomasi]

7) One of this year's contenders, Citrus Kid, has important broodmare Mock Orange as his 4th dam.

One of Mock Orange's daughters was Naval Orange. Naval Orange produced this colt, ironically a wire-to-wire winner at 2 sprinting at Saratoga (by over 12 lengths). Later, he developed into a dead closer and in his only start at Hollywood Park, was 5th in the BC Classic, the first of 3 straight 5th place finishes in the BC Classic. Name him.