Sheikh Mo and Bernardini

Originally Posted by georgewashington

I am sure you know much more about me than that side of the business.

The game is about risk management in the first two years. Bernardini with is pedigree, conformation, and race record makes him what people in the business term a can't miss. Perhaps more importantly, a horse with the perfect pedigree, conformation and race record attracts the best mares.

If you could, please give me the name of a horse with Bernardini's pedigree, conformation, and race record that was a failure. I would love for you to find me one. Heck, I would love for you to find me one that has ever existed.

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Would you like a few more, "Georgie"?

[todko]

Let them retire this horse. Who cares? It's their horse -- and if they want to send him to stud so be it.

Ask yourself the question . . . right now . . . how much money are you going to make by betting on Bernardini? At 1-9?

Racing survived long before Bernardini. And it will survive long after Bernardini.

Some of you sound like a love stricken high school cheeleader. Maybe you have a picture of Bernardini inside your locker or something. Grow up.

Frankly, I think he's a big hype job anyway.

[Pedigree Ann]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

I would say this might be the knockout punch. Good work BB.

As posted elsewhere, I find this list totally absurd. Many of the horses listed have been successful sires, while others had physical handicaps to sire success (low or non-existent fertility) and yet others are too young to make any judgement about. Many of them were not as fashionably bred as Bernardini and were not expected to become top level sires as a consequence. I am astonished that you accept Mr. BB's statement so uncritically.

[somerfrost]

Originally Posted by Pedigree Ann

As posted elsewhere, I find this list totally absurd. Many of the horses listed have been successful sires, while others had physical handicaps to sire success (low or non-existent fertility) and yet others are too young to make any judgement about. Many of them were not as fashionably bred as Bernardini and were not expected to become top level sires as a consequence. I am astonished that you accept Mr. BB's statement so uncritically.

Nobody can see the future, Risen Star for example was poorly managed (on and off the track) and died way early...but who is to say what the future holds for Bernardini? I have a problem with a few on his list but most certainly did not meet expectations...Ack Ack is one that I think did fine, CDR and the sire of my all time favorite horse/stallion Broad Brush...there are those who call Secretariat a "failure" at stud because the expectations were that he would reproduce himself (well...duh!), with Star and the Iron Lady to his credit, a huge influence on the mare side and solid CDR credentials, I think he was successful...it's how does one define "success"? The thing is that with his breeding and track success, Bernardini will have every opportunity to succeed, he will immediately be booked to the best mares and the Godolphin crowd will make every effort to convert him to their foundation dirt sire...but memories of Dubai Millenium do linger...bottom line: I like his chances but I wouldn't bet the ranch!

Originally Posted by somerfrost

Ack Ack is one that I think did fine, CDR and the sire of my all time favorite horse/stallion Broad Brush...there are those who call Secretariat a "failure" at stud because the expectations were that he would reproduce himself (well...duh!), with Star and the Iron Lady to his credit, a huge influence on the mare side and solid CDR credentials, I think he was successful...it's how does one define "success"?

You're correct about Ack Ack ... his line still exists ... and ...

... you'll note that Secretariat was not on the list as a failure ... though he was a disappointment ... and his male line is totally dead.

[georgewashington]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

As I have stated in another post as well. I do not completely agree with everything BB put in the post. Yeah his list was overdone, as usual, because he was trying to make a point. But as a whole I think the post served it's purpose, which was to show, race record, and promise in the shed does not equal success. Look it's not a personal thing, I have had many a run in with BB, but I do agree with the premise of what he is saying. Not trying to astonish you, but I happen to think it's a little premature to call a horse can't miss at stud. I'm about as big a Bernardini fan as there is, but as you know, probably better than anyone on here, sometimes it just doesn't work, for various reasons.

Let's see, a person in the industry, and Pedigree Ann's opinion (who in my opinion really knows her stuff) against Bold Brooklynite and DaHoss.

That is a tough one.

You being the expert DaHoss, please tell me which horse on that list has the pedigree, race record, and conformation of Bernardini? Not to mention, about 1/2 of those horses did quite well in the shed.

Do you know what risk management means?

[Downthestretch55]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

wow - shows how well you take criticism. I happen to think Pedigree Ann adds a lot to the content of this board, and just because she proved you wrong with a few of those horses that you listed is no reason to call names.

Is there a question as to why I no longer respond to this trolls posts?
All he/she brings to this board are insults and arrogance.
There are two others that I don't respond to also.
Waste of time.
Calling names of winners is a whole lot different than calling names at posters.
Frankly, I've had enough of them.
They just spread their manure all over this board.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by Downthestretch55

Is there a question as to why I no longer respond to this trolls posts?
All he/she brings to this board are insults and arrogance.
There are two others that I don't respond to also.
Waste of time.
Calling names of winners is a whole lot different than calling names at posters.
Frankly, I've had enough of them.
They just spread their manure all over this board.

I agree. everyone is allowed to have their own opinion. Its fun to dispute opinions, but when names are being called then you dont want to stay around to dispute more opinions... it ruins the threads.

[Downthestretch55]

See what I mean about names and insults?
Where's a race pick in a current race?
Pathetic!