Roger Stein on Beyer on Zenyatta

[JerseyJ]

Originally Posted by sammy

Record 13: 9-2-2
Earnings $4,368,214

Record 20: 19-1-0
Earnings $7,304,580

so who is the better horse?

Those stats are totally irrelivant in this discussion. When further examining the races that Horse "A" and "B" ran in, I would think that horse "A" would have been 20: 20-0-0 in those races, where I can't be sure horse "B" would have been 13: 9-2-2. This is just getting beyond ridiculous now.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by sammy

too bad blame got his ass kicked by haynesfield.

then he would be HOTY.

but i'm sure you have some reasonable excuse for that piss poor showing.

to quote Morty... what is your primary malfunction sir?

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by sammy

i guess there is no reason except maybe he didn't feel good that day, or maybe the other horse was just too fast for him on that particular day.

oh well, too bad.

race dynamics... a decent speed horse getting away with a slow pace.

Plus, he's going to be HOY anyway.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by sammy

i guess there is no reason except maybe he didn't feel good that day, or maybe the other horse was just too fast for him on that particular day.

oh well, too bad.

It was fixed like a Rolex watch

[Duvalier]

Blame did beat some monsters in No Advantage and General Quarters along the way

[JerseyJ]

Originally Posted by Duvalier

Blame did beat some monsters in No Advantage and General Quarters along the way

Well, let's not slight Taptam and Made for Magic along the way.

[Duvalier]

Originally Posted by JerseyJ

Well, let's not slight Taptam and Made for Magic along the way.

You're right. I forgot Mine that Bird and Giant Oak were also left in his wake

[JerseyJ]

Originally Posted by Duvalier

You're right. I forgot Mine that Bird and Giant Oak were also left in his wake

The pathetic part is that the four horses you just named could beat the fields that Zenyatta beat running backwards.

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by JerseyJ

Well, let's not slight Taptam and Made for Magic along the way.

Gio Ponti? Mastercraftsman? Summer Bird?
Come on dude.

[JerseyJ]

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

Gio Ponti? Mastercraftsman? Summer Bird?
Come on dude.

Come on, Gio Pointi just isn't that good, and and he's a turf horse anyway. Mastercraftsman???? Seriously? Summer Bird was better on dirt and probably could have won last year on dirt. You can't make a case for Zenyatta based off a pro-ride win over Summer Bird.

[Clip-Clop]

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

Gio Ponti? Mastercraftsman? Summer Bird?
Come on dude.

Turf Turf Dirt

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by Duvalier

Blame did beat some monsters in No Advantage and General Quarters along the way

Not to mention being wired twice by 2 horses who would be called good, AT BEST. Funny Z never got wired. Pace was against her many times, lone speed and everything, she always ran them down.

[NTamm1215]

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

Not to mention being wired twice by 2 horses who would be called good, AT BEST. Funny Z never got wired. Pace was against her many times, lone speed and everything, she always ran them down.

I know you understand the difference between a speed horse getting loose on dirt and on synthetics.

That is precisely the reason why many people argued that Zenyatta's ability to overcome negative pace setups would not be nearly as strong on dirt and would lead to her having lost a couple of the races she pulled out.

Why we're arguing about what they did in 2009 with regards to HOTY is beyond me.

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

I know you understand the difference between a speed horse getting loose on dirt and on synthetics.

That is precisely the reason why many people argued that Zenyatta's ability to overcome negative pace setups would not be nearly as strong on dirt and would lead to her having lost a couple of the races she pulled out.

Why we're arguing about what they did in 2009 with regards to HOTY is beyond me.

I do understand the difference. Like you said, I know you do.

Its hard for you to discuss this the right way, without bias. Nice avatar.

[JerseyJ]

Originally Posted by sammy

i guess there is no reason except maybe he didn't feel good that day, or maybe the other horse was just too fast for him on that particular day.

oh well, too bad.

You sir/madam are what we term a tard...because I guess last Saturday, Blame was just TOO FAST for Zenyatta.

[Duvalier]

Face it brah...neither of them raced against anything special

[JerseyJ]

Originally Posted by sammy

actually no he wasn't. she lost by a nose, not open lenghts like your boy did.

here, why dont you watch your horse of the year get "crushed"to refresh your memory.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MkBULHKdhD8

Fastest horse wins the race dumbass...here's something you may like:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mhSk3S13NnE

and this too:

Pgm Horse Jockey Win Place Show
5 Blame Garrett K. Gomez 12.40 4.40 3.80
8 Zenyatta Mike E. Smith 3.60 2.80
6 Fly Down Julien R. Leparoux 8.60
Also ran: 12 - Lookin At Lucky , 2 - Paddy O'Prado , 10 - Etched , 7 - Musket Man , 4 - First Dude , 9 - Pleasant Prince , 11 - Espoir City (JPN) , 3 - Haynesfield , 1 - Quality Road

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by sammy

thats it. i am issuing a throwdown.

i challenge you to a handicap-off.

loser leaves the derby-trail forever.

You might be on your way out anyway....
Advice I have been given, scale it back just a bit.

[Duvalier]

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

You might be on your way out anyway....
Advice I have been given, scale it back just a bit.

Why they both seem to be antagonistic

[hi_im_god]

it's hard to believe a discussion about roger stein descended into name calling.