Sheikh Mo and Bernardini

Originally Posted by georgewashington

I wonder if the track will be souped-up on Breeder's Cup Day.

From what I hear the track is going to be as fair as possible. It wont be like concrete when it is Derby day, but a nice track. Usually when the track is like this, the rail is dead. Of course this all depends on the weather.

[randallscott35]

Originally Posted by eurobounce

From what I hear the track is going to be as fair as possible. It wont be like concrete when it is Derby day, but a nice track. Usually when the track is like this, the rail is dead. Of course this all depends on the weather.

Euro, what are they going to say? They we will soup the hell out of it. C'mon....Maybe it will be perfect, but they don't even admit the horse s.hit they pull on Derby Day which in 2001 cost horses their careers and even lives. Someone should've been arrested for that.

Originally Posted by randallscott35

Euro, what are they going to say? They we will soup the hell out of it. C'mon....Maybe it will be perfect, but they don't even admit the horse s.hit they pull on Derby Day which in 2001 cost horses their careers and even lives. Someone should've been arrested for that.

Well it is a known fact that Churchill loves to have the fastest surface possible on big days. But with horses coming from all over the world, they like to have the track as favorable to all horses as possible. The turf will also be grown out a little.

[randallscott35]

Originally Posted by eurobounce

Well it is a known fact that Churchill loves to have the fastest surface possible on big days. But with horses coming from all over the world, they like to have the track as favorable to all horses as possible. The turf will also be grown out a little.

Is that some sort of acceptance to the crap they pull on big days? Its criminal to do that. 2001 probably won't be seen again, when allowance fillies could break decade long records....The worst example of track management in the history of racing.

[georgewashington]

Originally Posted by eurobounce

Well it is a known fact that Churchill loves to have the fastest surface possible on big days. But with horses coming from all over the world, they like to have the track as favorable to all horses as possible. The turf will also be grown out a little.

Turf yes. Dirt, no. The dirt races are pretty much for american horses.

[georgewashington]

Originally Posted by eurobounce

From what I hear the track is going to be as fair as possible. It wont be like concrete when it is Derby day, but a nice track. Usually when the track is like this, the rail is dead. Of course this all depends on the weather.

I have some land to sell you too. Where did you hear this anyway? I doubt they are going to comment on the track. With Henny Hughes and Bernardini running, both track records are in trouble. I can assure you some people in the KY breeding business would love to see Bernardini take down that track record.

Originally Posted by georgewashington

I have some land to sell you too. Where did you hear this anyway? I doubt they are going to comment on the track. With Henny Hughes and Bernardini running, both track records are in trouble. I can assure you some people in the KY breeding business would love to see Bernardini take down that track record.

And we care so much about those breeders because?????????

[georgewashington]

Originally Posted by oracle80

And we care so much about those breeders because?????????

Breeding makes the business go around. Do some research and see how much money and jobs are tied to the breeding business. People gamble on horses, football, casinos, etc. Horses are unique though because there is a multi billion dollar business in breeding.

The tax revenues for the sales of horses are huge. The revenues from gambling are often nothing. Some groups are non-profits and contribute nothing. In fact, some of these non-profits cost the tax payer money.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by georgewashington

Breeding makes the business go around. Do some research and see how much money and jobs are tied to the breeding business. People gamble on horses, football, casinos, etc. Horses are unique though because there is a multi billion dollar business in breeding.

The tax revenues for the sales of horses are huge. The revenues from gambling are often nothing. Some groups are non-profits and contribute nothing. In fact, some of these non-profits cost the tax payer money.

This may be the most ill-informed post yet! (I'd say stupid but I dont want an $11 million dollar lawsuit) Breeding only exists because of racing, not vice versa. You are comparing tax revenues from the sale of horses to the gambling industry??? The revenues from gambling are often nothing??? Do you think that non profits like Del Mar and Keeneland just keep all the money? I can hardly type.....

[randallscott35]

Originally Posted by georgewashington

I have some land to sell you too. Where did you hear this anyway? I doubt they are going to comment on the track. With Henny Hughes and Bernardini running, both track records are in trouble. I can assure you some people in the KY breeding business would love to see Bernardini take down that track record.

Henny isn't breaking any records. Nor is Bernie. Why people think these records are suddenly going to fall is a mystery to me?.....Henny isn't winning to begin with.

[georgewashington]

Originally Posted by randallscott35

Henny isn't breaking any records. Nor is Bernie. Why people think these records are suddenly going to fall is a mystery to me?.....Henny isn't winning to begin with.

Henny and Bernardini are both going to win easily. Just like all of their races. I am curious who you think could beat Henny Hughes.

[randallscott35]

Originally Posted by georgewashington

Henny and Bernardini are both going to win easily. Just like all of their races. I am curious who you think could beat Henny Hughes.

My picks will be given before the Breeders Cup. Let's see the draw and a few other things. But Henny will not be on any of my tickets, Pick 3s, 4s, or other. Maybe underneath.

Bernie should probably win although I'm pulling against him b/c of the retirement issue.

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by randallscott35

My picks will be given before the Breeders Cup. Let's see the draw and a few other things. But Henny will not be on any of my tickets, Pick 3s, 4s, or other. Maybe underneath.

Bernie should probably win although I'm pulling against him b/c of the retirement issue.

Bold.

I admire your courage, but I too, have to ask, who is going to beat him? This isn't exactly a monster-laden Sprint field we're looking at..

I mean, if he draws the 12-hole or something, then I could see trying to beat him, but I think he's just faster at six furlongs than any other horse right now. I don't remember the last time I saw the final furlong of The Vosburgh go in under :12.

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

Bold.

I admire your courage, but I too, have to ask, who is going to beat him? This isn't exactly a monster-laden Sprint field we're looking at..

I mean, if he draws the 12-hole or something, then I could see trying to beat him, but I think he's just faster at six furlongs than any other horse right now. I don't remember the last time I saw the final furlong of The Vosburgh go in under :12.

Isn't that because they finally cut it to 6f this year Ateam? It used to be 7f and then 6 1/2, which makes that very hard to do.

[randallscott35]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

Bold.

I admire your courage, but I too, have to ask, who is going to beat him? This isn't exactly a monster-laden Sprint field we're looking at..

I mean, if he draws the 12-hole or something, then I could see trying to beat him, but I think he's just faster at six furlongs than any other horse right now. I don't remember the last time I saw the final furlong of The Vosburgh go in under :12.

I think that last effort was enormous and definitely the best sprint performance I have seen this year. I think he bounces off that, and the sprint is the one race where you can lose the race at the break....lots of variables, lots of reasons to play against him....It isn't courage, I take stands on races, like singling Pleasant Home last year in multirace wagers at 30-1. I wasn't trying to be a hero and that's a quick way to lose money. When I feel strongly about a race I have to play it a certain way.

[georgewashington]

Originally Posted by randallscott35

My picks will be given before the Breeders Cup. Let's see the draw and a few other things. But Henny will not be on any of my tickets, Pick 3s, 4s, or other. Maybe underneath.

Bernie should probably win although I'm pulling against him b/c of the retirement issue.

Nice save, but nobody is beating Henny Hughes. The only horse with a shot isn't going to show up.

[randallscott35]

Originally Posted by georgewashington

Nice save, but nobody is beating Henny Hughes. The only horse with a shot isn't going to show up.

A bounce is a bounce. If he does, someone will step up and beat him. What did he run a -2, faster?

Originally Posted by georgewashington

I have some land to sell you too. Where did you hear this anyway? I doubt they are going to comment on the track. With Henny Hughes and Bernardini running, both track records are in trouble. I can assure you some people in the KY breeding business would love to see Bernardini take down that track record.

Track record wont have anything to do with the stud value of any of these horses. WINS WINS WINS is all that matters.

[georgewashington]

Originally Posted by eurobounce

Track record wont have anything to do with the stud value of any of these horses. WINS WINS WINS is all that matters.

Track records don't. Two track records though do. The 10f at Churchill and the 12f and Belmont. You take down Secretariat's record in either and it is a marketers dream. Bernardini is likely to be $250K with a win. Taking down Secretariat's track record though could get them $300K. Not bad for a freshman. Being an AP Indy/Cara Rafaela doesn't hurt though. The best racehorse in decades combined with the best breeding out there is going to fill his book at any cost.

Originally Posted by georgewashington

Track records don't. Two track records though do. The 10f at Churchill and the 12f and Belmont. You take down Secretariat's record in either and it is a marketers dream. Bernardini is likely to be $250K with a win. Taking down Secretariat's track record though could get them $300K. Not bad for a freshman. Being an AP Indy/Cara Rafaela doesn't hurt though. The best racehorse in decades combined with the best breeding out there is going to fill his book at any cost.

You are crazy--first of all he wont break the track record and the track record wont increase his value by $50k.