Sheikh Mo and Bernardini

Originally Posted by georgewashington

Spoken like somebody who has never been to Dubai. Don't talk about something that you know little about. You sound ignorant. Dubai is not Saudi Arabia. I have been there numerous times and it is not anything like you are trying to make it out to be.

You are basically disguising your racist comments, in a polite way. To say somebody does not have a soul is disgusting. Have you ever met the owners? Let me guess, probably not.

When you met the owners did you bow and say your highness?

[somerfrost]

Originally Posted by oracle80

When you met the owners did you bow and say your highness?

And yeah...I've not only met them, I've met them in a slightly different capacity than I suspect you have!

Originally Posted by somerfrost

And yeah...I've not only met them, I've met them in a slightly different capacity than I suspect you have!

Somer that post wasn't aimed at you.

[georgewashington]

Originally Posted by oracle80

When you met the owners did you bow and say your highness?

Never met them. What is the difference between calling them your highness and somebody calling the President, Mr. President?

I laugh how people act like there is no class structure in America. In fact, the american class structure is worse than anywhere in the world.

I guess George Washington, the founder of our country, having slaves was ok. How about Thomas Jefferson?

How many countries have slave owners that are on their money or have cities named after them?

I don't knock other cultures and people because I understand that is their culture.

Last I checked Americans complain about $3 a gallon gas, and are willing to deal with dictators as long as it means their gas will go down to $2.

Enough with the comments about these people. It is nothing but racism.

Originally Posted by georgewashington

Never met them. What is the difference between calling them your highness and somebody calling the President, Mr. President?

I laugh how people act like there is no class structure in America. In fact, the american class structure is worse than anywhere in the world.

I guess George Washington, the founder of our country, having slaves was ok. How about Thomas Jefferson?

How many countries have slave owners that are on their money or have cities named after them?

I don't knock other cultures and people because I understand that is their culture.

Last I checked Americans complain about $3 a gallon gas, and are willing to deal with dictators as long as it means their gas will go down to $2.

Enough with the comments about these people. It is nothing but racism.

So you can talk down to people who you don't feel are "important enough" by your social or monetary standards, but noone else can speak ill about anyone who isnt white or its racism? Thats not logical.

[georgewashington]

Originally Posted by oracle80

So you can talk down to people who you don't feel are "important enough" by your social or monetary standards, but noone else can speak ill about anyone who isnt white or its racism? Thats not logical.

I don't talk down to anybody. The comments were attacks on the owners of these horses because of the way the act in Dubai. I was just pointing out that you might want to look in the mirror before criticizing anyone.

You take their gas, and I am sure if one wanted to buy a horse from you, you would have no problem selling him one if you could make a dollar.

I am a realist, I know how things work. People throw darts at people like the family that owns these horses, but have no problem with it if they can benefit from it. That is the way people are.

I just think horse racing should stick with horse racing, and politics should stay out of these threads. The comments attacking them were not mine, I was just pointing out the hypocrisy.

Originally Posted by georgewashington

I don't talk down to anybody. The comments were attacks on the owners of these horses because of the way the act in Dubai. I was just pointing out that you might want to look in the mirror before criticizing anyone.

You take their gas, and I am sure if one wanted to buy a horse from you, you would have no problem selling him one if you could make a dollar.

I am a realist, I know how things work. People throw darts at people like the family that owns these horses, but have no problem with it if they can benefit from it. That is the way people are.

I just think horse racing should stick with horse racing, and politics should stay out of these threads. The comments attacking them were not mine, I was just pointing out the hypocrisy.

Just like they accept the kindness that we offer by not bombing them back to the stone age and just taking their oil. Who'd stop us? I think we are real nice folks over here.

Originally Posted by georgewashington

I don't talk down to anybody. The comments were attacks on the owners of these horses because of the way the act in Dubai. I was just pointing out that you might want to look in the mirror before criticizing anyone.

You take their gas, and I am sure if one wanted to buy a horse from you, you would have no problem selling him one if you could make a dollar.

I am a realist, I know how things work. People throw darts at people like the family that owns these horses, but have no problem with it if they can benefit from it. That is the way people are.

I just think horse racing should stick with horse racing, and politics should stay out of these threads. The comments attacking them were not mine, I was just pointing out the hypocrisy.

Oil accounts for only a small percentage of Dubai's GDP. Find another liberal talking point.

[somerfrost]

Originally Posted by georgewashington

I don't talk down to anybody. The comments were attacks on the owners of these horses because of the way the act in Dubai. I was just pointing out that you might want to look in the mirror before criticizing anyone.

You take their gas, and I am sure if one wanted to buy a horse from you, you would have no problem selling him one if you could make a dollar.

I am a realist, I know how things work. People throw darts at people like the family that owns these horses, but have no problem with it if they can benefit from it. That is the way people are.

I just think horse racing should stick with horse racing, and politics should stay out of these threads. The comments attacking them were not mine, I was just pointing out the hypocrisy.

Well George (and I assume your handle is after the horse and not the original man since he was a slave owner)...this country has much to be ashamed of as do all cultures, we had slavery, we still have racism, we do have a class structure...but none of that means a person can't speak out against injustice WHERE EVER IT HAPPENS! I have plenty to say about conditions here...and I catch hell for it! I marched with Dr King in the 60's so I don't need someone to lecture me on racism...were you there? I opposed Viet Nam as a member of SDS, were you at the meetings? I served my country in that war when drafted...was that you in the foxhole next to me? I've rescued scores of horses and adopted as many as I could, how many rescued thoroughbreds do you have? And I actually lived in that region with members of my grandmother's family...you "visited" and saw what foreigners are suppose to see! I lived on the streets (and under them) of NYC as a homeless person for a couple weeks so I suspect I know as much about the "other America" as you do...and yet, cause I could walk away at any time I couldn't experience the hopelessness and would never claim to understand that world completely...you want to make assumptions about folks and claim hypocracy...look in the mirror! Under your rules, only "perfect" people can be critical of evil...well, there's a lot of evil in the world and no perfect persons so I guess we should ignore the problems???

Originally Posted by georgewashington

Never met them. What is the difference between calling them your highness and somebody calling the President, Mr. President?

I laugh how people act like there is no class structure in America. In fact, the american class structure is worse than anywhere in the world.

I guess George Washington, the founder of our country, having slaves was ok. How about Thomas Jefferson?

How many countries have slave owners that are on their money or have cities named after them?

I don't knock other cultures and people because I understand that is their culture.

Last I checked Americans complain about $3 a gallon gas, and are willing to deal with dictators as long as it means their gas will go down to $2.

Enough with the comments about these people. It is nothing but racism.

Comparing George Washington to Sheikh Mohammed is laughable. You have to go back to the eighteenth century to justify Sheikh Mohammed's actions.

LMAO.

Why do people care if they retire Bernardini or not. If you say it is selfish of them to retire the horse then aren't you being selfish for wanting the horse to race??? All of our stars are retired too early in my opinion. Smarty, Alex, Point Given, Ghostzapper etc etc. I know some had injuries, but with time off they could have come back to race. With the exceptions of Smarty and Alex, most of our stars are owned by people with big bucks so money isn't a problem but it is a factor when retiring a horse.

What I like to think is that most owners take the money they earned and put it back into the industry by buying more horses. I certainly think that the Sheikh puts just as much money into the sport than he takes out. So I have no problem with him when it comes to racing. What I don't like is that a couple of outfits have raised the price for horses and certain people are unable to compete. But this is part of life.

I would rather see the offspring of Bernardini run than Bernardini himself. Imagine the next 10 years of little Dini's running around. I am sure that he will be able to produce a couple of nice off-spring.

Good luck to Dini in the BCC. He deserves to be there and I hope he wins. He seems to be a fantastic horse and I hope we really get to see the horse all out on Nov 4th regardless of the margin of victory or defeat.

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by eurobounce

Why do people care if they retire Bernardini or not. If you say it is selfish of them to retire the horse then aren't you being selfish for wanting the horse to race??? All of our stars are retired too early in my opinion. Smarty, Alex, Point Given, Ghostzapper etc etc. I know some had injuries, but with time off they could have come back to race. With the exceptions of Smarty and Alex, most of our stars are owned by people with big bucks so money isn't a problem but it is a factor when retiring a horse.

What I like to think is that most owners take the money they earned and put it back into the industry by buying more horses. I certainly think that the Sheikh puts just as much money into the sport than he takes out. So I have no problem with him when it comes to racing. What I don't like is that a couple of outfits have raised the price for horses and certain people are unable to compete. But this is part of life.

I would rather see the offspring of Bernardini run than Bernardini himself. Imagine the next 10 years of little Dini's running around. I am sure that he will be able to produce a couple of nice off-spring.

Good luck to Dini in the BCC. He deserves to be there and I hope he wins. He seems to be a fantastic horse and I hope we really get to see the horse all out on Nov 4th regardless of the margin of victory or defeat.

It is simple. I'm a fan of horse racing, not a fan of horse breeding. I couldn't care less about his offspring running in ten years. We have a potentially great horse and will only get to see him run for one frickin year. This is why the sport is so hard to market.

Originally Posted by SniperSB23

It is simple. I'm a fan of horse racing, not a fan of horse breeding. I couldn't care less about his offspring running in ten years. We have a potentially great horse and will only get to see him run for one frickin year. This is why the sport is so hard to market.

Part of being a fan is getting excited about the potential of a sire. Like it not not, breeding plays a HUGE role in our sport. I get just as excited during sales than I do during a race. I am totally pumped to see The Green Monkey race (if he ever makes it--I hear he is as Belmont now and had a recent work). I would love to see Dini race for another couple of years, but I also understand his importance to the sport as a sire.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by SniperSB23

It is simple. I'm a fan of horse racing, not a fan of horse breeding. I couldn't care less about his offspring running in ten years. We have a potentially great horse and will only get to see him run for one frickin year. This is why the sport is so hard to market.

Well said!

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by eurobounce

Why do people care if they retire Bernardini or not. If you say it is selfish of them to retire the horse then aren't you being selfish for wanting the horse to race??? All of our stars are retired too early in my opinion. Smarty, Alex, Point Given, Ghostzapper etc etc. I know some had injuries, but with time off they could have come back to race. With the exceptions of Smarty and Alex, most of our stars are owned by people with big bucks so money isn't a problem but it is a factor when retiring a horse.

What I like to think is that most owners take the money they earned and put it back into the industry by buying more horses. I certainly think that the Sheikh puts just as much money into the sport than he takes out. So I have no problem with him when it comes to racing. What I don't like is that a couple of outfits have raised the price for horses and certain people are unable to compete. But this is part of life.

I would rather see the offspring of Bernardini run than Bernardini himself. Imagine the next 10 years of little Dini's running around. I am sure that he will be able to produce a couple of nice off-spring.

Good luck to Dini in the BCC. He deserves to be there and I hope he wins. He seems to be a fantastic horse and I hope we really get to see the horse all out on Nov 4th regardless of the margin of victory or defeat.

i don't think it's selfish to expect racehorses to race. after all, they only race a couple years. most have decades to stand at stud.
as for rich folks not needing money, rich people enjoy making another buck just like anyone else does. and the heck with little dinis....spectacular breeding doesn't guarantee he'll be a top sire. he could fail miserably at stud! and if he doesn't, and they are good, we won't get to watch them either as they'll be rushed off as well.

Originally Posted by georgewashington

Never met them. What is the difference between calling them your highness and somebody calling the President, Mr. President?

I laugh how people act like there is no class structure in America. In fact, the american class structure is worse than anywhere in the world.

I guess George Washington, the founder of our country, having slaves was ok. How about Thomas Jefferson?

How many countries have slave owners that are on their money or have cities named after them?

I don't knock other cultures and people because I understand that is their culture.

Last I checked Americans complain about $3 a gallon gas, and are willing to deal with dictators as long as it means their gas will go down to $2.

Enough with the comments about these people. It is nothing but racism.

... or vladimirilyichlenin.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by georgewashington

I guess George Washington, the founder of our country, having slaves was ok. How about Thomas Jefferson?

How many countries have slave owners that are on their money or have cities named after them?

We like to think that we as a species has become a little more civilized over the last 250 years