Shireffs-- Zenyatta is HOY

[randallscott35]

Can't wait to see the Moss' reaction when she doesn't get it again. I'm thinking she'll be back.

[somerfrost]

Zenyatta 6/5-1-0, Blame 5/4-1-0....Zenyatta wins 5 grade 1's, Blame wins 4. Separated by a nose in BCC...could go either way!

[randallscott35]

Originally Posted by somerfrost

Zenyatta 6/5-1-0, Blame 5/4-1-0....Zenyatta wins 5 grade 1's, Blame wins 4. Separated by a nose in BCC...could go either way!

That is not his argument. He says that 60 Minutes and fans wearing shirts an holding signs means she should get it.

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by somerfrost

Zenyatta 6/5-1-0, Blame 5/4-1-0....Zenyatta wins 5 grade 1's, Blame wins 4. Separated by a nose in BCC...could go either way!

No it can't!

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by Dahoss

No it can't!

Um yes it can, the numbers dont lie. If Blame had won the Woodward, actually even ran in it, and performed better in the JCGC it would be lock city, he did not, so he is not lock city.

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

Um yes it can, the numbers dont lie. If Blame had won the Woodward, actually even ran in it, and performed better in the JCGC it would be lock city, he did not, so he is not lock city.

I'm not having another pointless discussion with you. It's not even debatable. She defeated restricted company and lost her one race against unrestricted. The horse that beat her has had a very good year and beat much better fields than she has.

There is no way someone can make an arguement that she is more deserving of the award over Blame for what they have done on the track THIS YEAR.

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by Dahoss

I'm not having another pointless discussion with you. It's not even debatable. She defeated restricted company and lost her one race against unrestricted. The horse that beat her has had a very good year and beat much better fields than she has.

There is no way someone can make an arguement that she is more deserving of the award over Blame for what they have done on the track THIS YEAR.

There is no need to point out anything about a pointless discussion, you take shots all the time and I dont respond that way. Like in the NBA thread....
I have been keeping anything pointless to a minimum. I would be fine with Z winning HOY, no injustice would be done.

[randallscott35]

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

There is no need to point out anything about a pointless discussion, you take shots all the time and I dont respond that way. Like in the NBA thread....
I have been keeping anything pointless to a minimum. I would be fine with Z winning HOY, no injustice would be done.

It isn't a lifetime achievement award. This is a non-discussion

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

There is no need to point out anything about a pointless discussion, you take shots all the time and I dont respond that way. Like in the NBA thread....
I have been keeping anything pointless to a minimum. I would be fine with Z winning HOY, no injustice would be done.

Yeah...you never take shots. You're squeaky clean. Step away from the computer for a few minutes this weekend.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

There is no need to point out anything about a pointless discussion, you take shots all the time and I dont respond that way. Like in the NBA thread....
I have been keeping anything pointless to a minimum. I would be fine with Z winning HOY, no injustice would be done.

You are stupid

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

I have been keeping anything pointless to a minimum.

Says the poster with 5377 posts in about fifteen months.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by monipenny

Voters are not always voting for the best horse this year broheim. The body of work that Zenyatta has compiled and being 3 1/2 lengths clear sends a clear ringing endorsement to how wonderful a racemare she is. Ok, I will agree Blame won and people usually only remember who wins the Super Bowl and not the runners up. But, horses just as actors winning academy awards are sometimes rewarded for there life's work. And this does not always reflect a horses or actors finest work with being given such a award. My hope was to see a great race and that I most certainly did.

Why would you need to agree that Blame won? Was there some question?

[gaut10]

The horses dont care if they win the awards. We do. its just like funerals, we are the only ones who care what the funeral is like.

Blame defeated tougher fields all year b/c his connections allowed him to do so. she did not b/c her connections chose not too. Horse racing in California is soft b/c of bad decisions by CHRB.

its obvious the big mare has no problems competing with any level of horses. while it is the connections perrogative to manicure her campaign, it adds no ammunition to their HOY campaign. Could have been a moot point had she run at TOGA and/or Belmont in the fall.

fyi, i think she is fabulous mare, but I am not in favor of paper champions.

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by monipenny

Voters are not always voting for the best horse this year broheim. The body of work that Zenyatta has compiled and being 3 1/2 lengths clear sends a clear ringing endorsement to how wonderful a racemare she is. Ok, I will agree Blame won and people usually only remember who wins the Super Bowl and not the runners up. But, horses just as actors winning academy awards are sometimes rewarded for there life's work. And this does not always reflect a horses or actors finest work with being given such a award. My hope was to see a great race and that I most certainly did.

But that is what voters should be voting on. Which is why there really should be no discussion. The award is horse of the year. On the track this year Blame had a better year. End of story.

I understand that she is going to get votes, but she shouldn't.

[Port Conway Lane]

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

Um yes it can, the numbers dont lie. If Blame had won the Woodward, actually even ran in it, and performed better in the JCGC it would be lock city, he did not, so he is not lock city.

Can't you see that being one of the best horses never to have won horse of the year does her more service than being handed an award she doesn't deserve ?

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

Um yes it can, the numbers dont lie. If Blame had won the Woodward, actually even ran in it, and performed better in the JCGC it would be lock city, he did not, so he is not lock city.

Should go to Blame. They should of previously exposed her to a large field putting dirt in her face.

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

Should go to Blame. They should of previously exposed her to a large field putting dirt in her face.

100000% agree with the second sentence. Does anyone beleive she does not win the Personal Ensign in a laugher?

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

100000% agree with the second sentence. Does anyone beleive she does not win the Personal Ensign in a laugher?

You are stupid. She did not win the Personal Ensign therefore does not credit because she might have.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

Um yes it can, the numbers dont lie. If Blame had won the Woodward, actually even ran in it, and performed better in the JCGC it would be lock city, he did not, so he is not lock city.

You are stupid.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

Um yes it can, the numbers dont lie. If Blame had won the Woodward, actually even ran in it, and performed better in the JCGC it would be lock city, he did not, so he is not lock city.

blame didn't avoid anyone in the woodward. he'd already defeated the horse everyone thought was the top 'capper this year.

as for zenyatta, i can't blame her trainer for his opinion. however, her owners cost her a shot at the award with their cowardly campaign. any other horse running her season this year would get laughed at if they dared suggest it was hoy worthy. but it's zenyatta, so people get all freaking emotional instead of using the logic they'd apply to any other horse.

the award isn't for most photogenic, or best quirky habits. it's for HOY, and blame is the one who took on top horses much of the year, unlike the mare who didn't face a gr 1 winner all year until yesterday.