Why retire her?

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by Danzig

call me crazy, but i'd rather see top horses face off then have one horse taking on a bunch of nothings. yesterday was her first face off with a gr 1 winner. her owners thought before yesterday that she merited hoy consideration- i find that laughable. the best two races this year were when blame met quality road, and yesterdays classic. zenyatta should have broken new ground this year-she should have been in the big cap, the pac classic.

and smarty jones drew more fans to oaklawn to watch him run the belmont on tv than has showed at zenyattas races this year.

Does that mean that You DIDN'T watch a majority of her races this year? And if you didn't would you say that is true for a majority of the board?

Also, the belmont is a classic and you are talking about an undefeated horse going for a triple crown. I was there, 128,000 people deep in the rain. I was also there for Funny Cide and the next year when he won the JCGC in front of like 7,000 people.

When was the last time Zenyatta had a crowd as small as 7k? I agree, they need to challenge her and I said as much earlier. But whether they do or not, she is still a draw and great for racing.

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

But whether they do or not, she is still a draw and great for racing.

Short-term, sure. Long-term, I really don't think so.

[RockHardTen1985]

Putting everything else aside, I think it would be great if they moved forward with her. Run her till the day she does not fire.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

Short-term, sure. Long-term, I really don't think so.

I think racing can use all the short term it can get right now. Don't you?

[horseofcourse]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

But whether they do or not, she is still a draw and great for racing.

Yeah, but those people don't bet enough and they make signs with Zenyatta dancing and it is a mockery of the sport and it's integrity. They should like other things and not be fans of her. She was not good for the sport in any way, shape, or form and if she hadn't lost by a nose yesterday, the world would be a far worse place.

Am I learning good on here so far?? I gettin better and smarter now no?? Was this a proper post in the Zenyatta thread stuff??

[ateamstupid]

You're not funny.

[horseofcourse]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

You're not funny.

Sure I am. And so are you!! And am I really trying to be funny is the question as well. Do you really know that?

[Slewbopper]

Originally Posted by horseofcourse

Yeah, but those people don't bet enough and they make signs with Zenyatta dancing and it is a mockery of the sport and it's integrity.

And Borel acting like a crazed lunatic for five minutes in front of the largest TV audience the BC has had since the 80s is good for the sport?

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by Slewbopper

And Borel acting like a crazed lunatic for five minutes in front of the largest TV audience the BC has had since the 80s is good for the sport?

Actually, yes, it is. And you know that.

[Revidere]

We'll know when we see that 49.2 1/2 mile breeze to gear her down.

Then 48

Then 47.1 handily

Presto: Entered in the Santa Margarita.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

Does that mean that You DIDN'T watch a majority of her races this year? And if you didn't would you say that is true for a majority of the board?

Also, the belmont is a classic and you are talking about an undefeated horse going for a triple crown. I was there, 128,000 people deep in the rain. I was also there for Funny Cide and the next year when he won the JCGC in front of like 7,000 people.

When was the last time Zenyatta had a crowd as small as 7k? I agree, they need to challenge her and I said as much earlier. But whether they do or not, she is still a draw and great for racing.

yep, i watched. didn't bet a dime, so how does my watching help? i watch racing sometimes for hours, without a big horse on the card. how did it help that all those folks showed up with their stupid z hats and signs? did handle increase? ownership? did the fan base grow?

as for a draw, she is. i didn't say she wasn't. what i said was if they keep her racing, i hope it's to put her where she belongs.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by Danzig

yep, i watched. didn't bet a dime, so how does my watching help? i watch racing sometimes for hours, without a big horse on the card. how did it help that all those folks showed up with their stupid z hats and signs? did handle increase? ownership? did the fan base grow?

as for a draw, she is. i didn't say she wasn't. what i said was if they keep her racing, i hope it's to put her where she belongs.

How do we know? How do we know that there weren't a couple of future Freddymos or DrugS out there in the stands for the first time to see big Z for the first time? How do we know that in this age of female empowerment that Z didn't inspire a few new female horse owners or horse players for that matter?

When is the last time that we had a star that could be cheered for more than two seasons tops?

I am not delusional about her talents. I knew what she was coming in and that opinion hasn't changed (actually enhanced some).

What would be the draw if they bring her to Saratoga next summer? I would bet all of the money Rockhardtenfan lost yesterday that it would be bigger than any non travers card in the last twenty years. Of that bunch, you really don't think there would be a few new players or owners?

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

How do we know? How do we know that there weren't a couple of future Freddymos or DrugS out there in the stands for the first time to see big Z for the first time? How do we know that in this age of female empowerment that Z didn't inspire a few new female horse owners or horse players for that matter?

When is the last time that we had a star that could be cheered for more than two seasons tops?

I am not delusional about her talents. I knew what she was coming in and that opinion hasn't changed (actually enhanced some).

What would be the draw if they bring her to Saratoga next summer? I would bet all of the money Rockhardtenfan lost yesterday that it would be bigger than any non travers card in the last twenty years. Of that bunch, you really don't think there would be a few new players or owners?

i don't understand why you're keeping on with this. i said i'd like to see her back, but in different races than she ran this year. what's wrong with that? wouldn't those fans watch her in the big cap, or the pacific classic?

[MaTH716]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

How do we know? How do we know that there weren't a couple of future Freddymos or DrugS out there in the stands for the first time to see big Z for the first time? How do we know that in this age of female empowerment that Z didn't inspire a few new female horse owners or horse players for that matter?

When is the last time that we had a star that could be cheered for more than two seasons tops?

I am not delusional about her talents. I knew what she was coming in and that opinion hasn't changed (actually enhanced some).

What would be the draw if they bring her to Saratoga next summer? I would bet all of the money Rockhardtenfan lost yesterday that it would be bigger than any non travers card in the last twenty years. Of that bunch, you really don't think there would be a few new players or owners?

Personal foul, unnecessary roughness. 15 yards and an automatic first down.

[horseofcourse]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

How do we know? How do we know that there weren't a couple of future Freddymos or DrugS out there in the stands for the first time to see big Z for the first time? How do we know that in this age of female empowerment that Z didn't inspire a few new female horse owners or horse players for that matter?

When is the last time that we had a star that could be cheered for more than two seasons tops?

I am not delusional about her talents. I knew what she was coming in and that opinion hasn't changed (actually enhanced some).

What would be the draw if they bring her to Saratoga next summer? I would bet all of the money Rockhardtenfan lost yesterday that it would be bigger than any non travers card in the last twenty years. Of that bunch, you really don't think there would be a few new players or owners?

You are showing some semblence of sanity here dala which you often do (despite your abuse of me in other locales!!).

I posted this earlier and got no replies which is not surprising. If you knew nothing of the dancing that the horse did and just said 10 years ago knowing nothing of synthetics, here you will have a horse who will win her first 19 races. She will be the first mare to run in 2 BC Classics. She will be the only mare to win a BC Classic, she will be the only mare to finish 2nd in a BC Classic and the only loss of her career would be a very close photo loss as a 6 yr old mare in her last race of her career in her 2nd consecutive Bc Classic. What would we think of that horse??

Yeah, we all wanted more from her schedule, but really what would we think if someone gave us this scenario 10 years ago??

[MaTH716]

Originally Posted by horseofcourse

You are showing some semblence of sanity here dala which you often do (despite your abuse of me in other locales!!).

I posted this earlier and got no replies which is not surprising. If you knew nothing of the dancing that the horse did and just said 10 years ago knowing nothing of synthetics, here you will have a horse who will win her first 19 races. She will be the first mare to run in 2 BC Classics. She will be the only mare to win a BC Classic, she will be the only mare to finish 2nd in a BC Classic and the only loss of her career would be a very close photo loss as a 6 yr old mare in her last race of her career in her 2nd consecutive Bc Classic. What would we think of that horse??

Yeah, we all wanted more from her schedule, but really what would we think if someone gave us this scenario 10 years ago??

She would have raced other top horses during her streak, because they would have shipped out to Cali to race against her on a natural dirt surface. So if she was still undefeated, it would have been an incredible feat and I'm sure she would have been applauded for it.

[horseofcourse]

Originally Posted by MaTH716

She would have raced other top horses during her streak, because they would have shipped out to Cali to race against her on a natural dirt surface. So if she was still undefeated, it would have been an incredible feat and I'm sure she would have been applauded for it.

Yes, applauded for it and an incredible feat. Zenyatta didn't put synthetics in Cal nor did her connections. My only point is that it still is an incredible feat and she should be certainly applauded for it more than I read on here. That's it.

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by horseofcourse

Yes, applauded for it and an incredible feat. Zenyatta didn't put synthetics in Cal nor did her connections. My only point is that it still is an incredible feat and she should be certainly applauded for it more than I read on here. That's it.

Oh give me a break. She's applauded plenty. Trying to talk some reason into people who want to make her more than she is isn't the same as ignoring her achievements.

[MaTH716]

Originally Posted by horseofcourse

Yes, applauded for it and an incredible feat. Zenyatta didn't put synthetics in Cal nor did her connections. My only point is that it still is an incredible feat and she should be certainly applauded for it more than I read on here. That's it.

No they didn't create them, but they didn't go out of their way to take on top class horses away from them. That's the beef almost everyone has. How do you measure a horse's real talents, when she continues to run against most of the same horses on an unperferred surface of many top horses? It's a shame, she ran big yesterday. Makes you think that they should have traveled with more often and then alot of these arguements would have been put to bed a long time ago.

Originally Posted by horseofcourse

You are showing some semblence of sanity here dala which you often do (despite your abuse of me in other locales!!).

I posted this earlier and got no replies which is not surprising. If you knew nothing of the dancing that the horse did and just said 10 years ago knowing nothing of synthetics, here you will have a horse who will win her first 19 races. She will be the first mare to run in 2 BC Classics. She will be the only mare to win a BC Classic, she will be the only mare to finish 2nd in a BC Classic and the only loss of her career would be a very close photo loss as a 6 yr old mare in her last race of her career in her 2nd consecutive Bc Classic. What would we think of that horse??

Yeah, we all wanted more from her schedule, but really what would we think if someone gave us this scenario 10 years ago??

Well hopefully we would take the blinkers off and realize things aren't necessarily that simple. It's the same kind of thinking that would make Kobe Bryant a better basketball player if he wins two more championships.