Calm down Calvin

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by Princess Doreen

Owners and trainers don't want to deal with hot heads - especially if that jockey is riding their horses after he's taken a postal hemorrhage on national TV. I don't care how strong Calvin Borel is, that kind of adrenalin expenditure has got to place a major effect on him for the rest of the day - maybe well into tomorrow when he starts thinking of all the repurcussions of what he did. If Sadler was able to use another jock on Tell A Kelly, he would have.

Not giving a pass to Castellano. He'll get a fine and/or a suspension. But Calvin should get the same. Classless!

Perhaps you'd feel different had you been the one that just had their life needlessly put in danger.

[Dahoss]

I think something being lost in all of this is Borel putting himself in a bad spot to begin with. By no means am I excusing Castellano. He was absolutely wrong and could have killed someone today. It's not the first time and he needs to be suspended.

I watched the blimp view of the race. Borel was going up into a spot that just wasn't there. He would have never gotten through and frankly if anyone should have been mad, it was Garcia. Now, I get Borel was probably upset and I totally get spur letting your emotions get the best of you in that spot. But, the same thing that put Calvin on the map is the same thing that got him in trouble today. Going into spots that most wouldn't or probably shouldn't.

[Princess Doreen]

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

Perhaps you'd feel different had you been the one that just had their life needlessly put in danger.

My question has yet to be answered. Figures!

As far as having someone put my life in danger, that has happened. I would have been angry had it been intentional. I don't believe what JC did today was intentional, and I think Calvin has been around the block way too many times to realize it.

[Fearless Leader]

Maybe Castellano's father-in-law will send him to his room without any supper.

[slotdirt]

I'm sorry, but how is Calvin in the wrong here? if i were a pinhead and Javier Castellano nearly caused certain injury to me and other pinheads, I'd probably do the exact same thing Calvin did.

[Princess Doreen]

Originally Posted by slotdirt

I'm sorry, but how is Calvin in the wrong here? if i were a pinhead and Javier Castellano nearly caused certain injury to me and other pinheads, I'd probably do the exact same thing Calvin did.

Javier is no pinhead. And, if it's open season on jocks beating up on other jocks, then that truly will be the death knell of horse racing.

And, is it really about injury that didn't happen or a jockey thinking his horse would have done better had the incident not happened?

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by slotdirt

I'm sorry, but how is Calvin in the wrong here? if i were a pinhead and Javier Castellano nearly caused certain injury to me and other pinheads, I'd probably do the exact same thing Calvin did.

I have no problem with him going after Castellano at all. I just think he was trying to go into a spot that wasn't there. Frankly, I thought the fight was great. It's a dangerous game and we saw it and it was great TV.

Castellano was totally wrong, he got DQ'd and I imagine he'll get suspended. But if you get a chance to watch a replay from the blimp view, check out the hole Borel is trying to get through.

Originally Posted by slotdirt

I'm sorry, but how is Calvin in the wrong here? if i were a pinhead and Javier Castellano nearly caused certain injury to me and other pinheads, I'd probably do the exact same thing Calvin did.

He's wrong because at this level a jockey MUST control his emotions and actions both on and off the track. That is why they have stewards.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

I think Borel was probably more upset because he had a lot of horse under him and was wiped out.

Garcia was on a horse that was 50-1 on the ML and Castallano was probably always expecting that 50/1 ML horse to his outside to fade .. Borel knew what he was doing squeezing in there ... and Castallano just decided he was going to stop waiting patiently for Garcia's longshot to fade and attack the hole before Borel could.

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

I think Borel was probably more upset because he had a lot of horse under him and was wiped out.

Garcia was on a horse that was 50-1 on the ML and Castallano was probably always expecting that 50/1 ML horse to his outside to fade .. Borel knew what he was doing squeezing in there ... and Castallano just decided he was going to stop waiting patiently for Garcia's longshot to fade and attack the hole before Borel could.

Totally agree. I also think Borel is so used to the sea parting for him, that he was taken back but it not happening, especially at Churchill.

[slotdirt]

Don't disagree with the hole Calvin was trying to go through being most likely on the smaller side. I'm just saying, I think Calvin was like 10 percent in the wrong and Castellano 90 percent.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by slotdirt

Don't disagree with the hole Calvin was trying to go through being most likely on the smaller side. I'm just saying, I think Calvin was like 10 percent in the wrong and Castellano 90 percent.

The incident was 0% Borel's fault.

Javier had 31/1 longshot Atoned right in front of him - and a 50/1 Morning line horse Romp right to his outside - and because the pace was slow and the field was bunching up ... those two rats weren't fading yet... even at the start of the far turn.

He was basically stuck in a trap - and the only way out of the trap was for the huge longshot Garcia was on to fade which would allow him a way out.

Think of someone that's supposed to be slow directly in front of you - someone that's supposed to be very slow to your outside - and a rail to your inside... and here's the far turn.

His only way out of a trap was to physically shove the bum horse to his outside out of the way and make his own room.

Borel was following the eventual winner and was in the process of knifing his way through a tiny hole when Garcia was forced into him - shutting the door on him.

If Javier doesn't do that ... after the race .. when you study the replay .. you're going to say "Castallano got his horse trapped in a bad spot" - and "what an absolutely great ride by Borel!"

I don't think you can fault Borel for the spot he was in - if anything - you have to credit him because he wasn't on a big favorite .. he was on a horse who probably needed a perfect trip to win and he was in the process of giving him a gem of a ride.

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

The incident was 0% Borel's fault.

Javier had 31/1 longshot Atoned right in front of him - and a 50/1 Morning line horse Romp right to his outside - and because the pace was slow and the field was bunching up ... those two rats weren't fading yet... even at the start of the far turn.

He was basically stuck in a trap - and the only way out of the trap was for the huge longshot Garcia was on to fade which would allow him a way out.

Think of someone that's supposed to be slow directly in front of you - someone that's supposed to be very slow to your outside - and a rail to your inside... and here's the far turn.

His only way out of a trap was to physically shove the bum horse to his outside out of the way and make his own room.

Borel was following the eventual winner and was in the process of knifing his way through a tiny hole when Garcia was forced into him - shutting the door on him.

If Javier doesn't do that ... after the race .. when you study the replay .. you're going to say "Castallano got his horse trapped in a bad spot" - and "what an absolutely great ride by Borel!"

I don't think you can fault Borel for the spot he was in - if anything - you have to credit him because he wasn't on a big favorite .. he was on a horse who probably needed a perfect trip to win and he was in the process of giving him a gem of a ride.

Spot on analysis.

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

I don't think you can fault Borel for the spot he was in - if anything - you have to credit him because he wasn't on a big favorite .. he was on a horse who probably needed a perfect trip to win and he was in the process of giving him a gem of a ride.

Credit him for trying to go through a non existant hole? In retrospect the horse didn't need a perfect trip at all. It's not like he was a hopeless longshot.

[Ruffian2]

Princess, I also thought it looked like Calvin sort of stuck his arm out and gave Martin Garcia a boost, or whatever you want to call it. I wondered if I was seeing things, too.

[Princess Doreen]

Originally Posted by Ruffian

Princess, I also thought it looked like Calvin sort of stuck his arm out and gave Martin Garcia a boost, or whatever you want to call it. I wondered if I was seeing things, too.

That is what I thought I saw, as well. Calvin could have come out of this a hero. He should have left the "punishment" of JC to the stewards. Instead, he goes off like a mindless maniac.

[Ruffian2]

It did also look to me like Castallano touched Borel first and that's what sent Borel into orbit. I'm not defending Borel, but I gotta say if someone reaches out to touch me in an aggressive manner after doing something I perceived as wrong and potentially life threatening, I'm jumping on them.

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by Princess Doreen

My question has yet to be answered. Figures!

As far as having someone put my life in danger, that has happened. I would have been angry had it been intentional. I don't believe what JC did today was intentional, and I think Calvin has been around the block way too many times to realize it.

If there was a question anywhere in your slew of posts, I didn't see it.

Which explains things.

[Princess Doreen]

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

If there was a question anywhere in your slew of posts, I didn't see it.

Which explains things.

It explains that people don't read other people's posts or half-ass read them.

Here's the question - now posted for the 3rd time -

<<I asked before and no one responsed - did it or did it not look like Calvin gave Martin an assist in getting him back into his saddle when he became unseated.>>

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by Princess Doreen

It explains that people don't read other people's posts or half-ass read them.

Here's the question - now posted for the 3rd time -

<<I asked before and no one responsed - did it or did it not look like Calvin gave Martin an assist in getting him back into his saddle when he became unseated.>>

Yeah, I guess.

Maybe it's that it's a ridiculous question?

I noticed no such thing, but I wasn't obsessed with watching it over and over again either.