Life at Ten

[Ronnie]

I wasn't really paying attention at that point but didn't they say on ESPN that the lights were bothering her?

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by Ronnie

I wasn't really paying attention at that point but didn't they say on ESPN that the lights were bothering her?

Very early on one of the commentators suggested that.

Pletcher is not to blame for anything.

He thought she was "quiet" and "almost sedated looking" while being saddled. Big deal. Are trainers supposed to order horses scratched because of how they have behave in the saddling area?

ESPN showed a picture of her being saddled - and both Johnny V and a handler were both petting her and playfully smacking her shoulder to try and wake her up.

The first problem was when she got on the racetrack and first tried to refuse to warm up - than stumbled a few times in her warm up.

The second problem was when Johnny V. is telling the ESPN guys she's not warming up well at all.

The third problem was five minutes later - when the camera came back to Life At Ten and Bailey asked Johnny V. if she's doing any better and Johnny V. tells ESPN "No. Not really." Bailey asks what's wrong - and all Johnny V. says is "I'm not sure"

[Linny]

I was 5 feet from this mare in the paddock at SAR before the Personal Ensign and she was NUTSO. She's a very hot type, always tugging the handlers, usually led by 2 people. Today she looked like my friends old chestnut lesson horse out there, inspite of the crowds, the noise the lights etc. He placid demeanor was obviously a sign to Pletcher and she ran like a sick horse.

As for the betting, any 'capper had to factor her in, whether as a win candidate or a pace factor.

Are KY rules the same as NY for multi race bets? Do you get the post time favorite in the event of a scratch? If so you wouldn't have gained anything because Blind Luck was (IMO)hurt by the non effort by LAT. The "real" LAT would have assured a far faster pace, making Blind Luck's chances better.

[MaTH716]

Originally Posted by Linny

I was 5 feet from this mare in the paddock at SAR before the Personal Ensign and she was NUTSO. She's a very hot type, always tugging the handlers, usually led by 2 people. Today she looked like my friends old chestnut lesson horse out there, inspite of the crowds, the noise the lights etc. He placid demeanor was obviously a sign to Pletcher and she ran like a sick horse.

As for the betting, any 'capper had to factor her in, whether as a win candidate or a pace factor.

Are KY rules the same as NY for multi race bets? Do you get the post time favorite in the event of a scratch? If so you wouldn't have gained anything because Blind Luck was (IMO)hurt by the non effort by LAT. The "real" LAT would have assured a far faster pace, making Blind Luck's chances better.

Yeah I guess the pace would have been a bit faster, but from what I remember, with exception of the Stall's horse in the first no one really came from out of the clouds all day. I don't think you wanted to be on the lead or on the rail either, but somewhere near that front pack in the middle of he track.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Unrivalled Belle was not losing that race to anyone - she rated off of the pace ... so had the real version of Life At Ten showed up .. it wouldn't have helped Blind Luck any.

Unrivalled Belle simply ran back to that rapid win she had in her only other career start over the track when she edged out Rachel Alexandra.

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Unrivalled Belle was not losing that race to anyone - she rated off of the pace ... so had the real version of Life At Ten showed up .. it wouldn't have helped Blind Luck any.

Unrivalled Belle simply ran back to that rapid win she had in her only other career start over the track when she edged out Rachel Alexandra.

I agree

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by v j stauffer

I agree

She showed the speed of Ruffian.

[Revidere]

Here she is in the post parade. I didn't know anything was going on with her, but someone next to me said she looked like she was tranquilized. That is one lifeless filly.

[prudery]

According to the latest Paulick report, the possible " solution " to the LAT incident is to gag the jockey pre-race .

So, a problem in communication is " solved " by cutting off crucial communication .

So much for the responsibility to the welfare of horse and jockey and the wallets of those who wager .

So much for culpability and responsibilty .

Thus if the horse breaks down with your money on its back--everyone gets hurt, and the bureaucratic press machine will call it one those unfortunate things that happen in racing--part of the game .

[slotdirt]

Mind if we gag you pre-post?

Sorry, that was very much low-hanging fruit.

[hoovesupsideyourhead]

i think he was freaked out by the 'mug' on the outrider..yesh eat a lemon before the race?

[prudery]

Originally Posted by slotdirt

Mind if we gag you pre-post?

Sorry, that was very much low-hanging fruit.

Please agree with that decision .

It is a quality sentiment for horse and wallet .

[Princess Doreen]

Originally Posted by prudery

According to the latest Paulick report, the possible " solution " to the LAT incident is to gag the jockey pre-race .

So, a problem in communication is " solved " by cutting off crucial communication .

So much for the responsibility to the welfare of horse and jockey and the wallets of those who wager .

So much for culpability and responsibilty .

Thus if the horse breaks down with your money on its back--everyone gets hurt, and the bureaucratic press machine will call it one those unfortunate things that happen in racing--part of the game .

Jerry Bailey was the first to notice that something wasn't right with LaT and he went straight to Johnny V. with the question. Is Mr. Paulick suggesting that jockeys not say anything to anyone or that they not say anything on live tv?

I find the latest decision by Veitch/KHRC to be much more disconcerting.

http://www.paulickreport.com/blog/li...ake-no-action/

[HaloWishingwell]

They are suggesting " man up,shut the fukk up, hand over your money,bend over and have a nice day!"...you got to love the leaders of the fraud called a sport.

[prudery]

Originally Posted by Princess Doreen

Jerry Bailey was the first to notice that something wasn't right with LaT and he went straight to Johnny V. with the question. Is Mr. Paulick suggesting that jockeys not say anything to anyone or that they not say anything on live tv?

I find the latest decision by Veitch/KHRC to be much more disconcerting.

http://www.paulickreport.com/blog/li...ake-no-action/

Paulick wasn't suggesting it in the article " hear no evil, see no evil " ,he reported that the KHRB was considering a rule to gag the jockey pre race .

[Princess Doreen]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Very early on one of the commentators suggested that.

Pletcher is not to blame for anything.

He thought she was "quiet" and "almost sedated looking" while being saddled. Big deal. Are trainers supposed to order horses scratched because of how they have behave in the saddling area?

ESPN showed a picture of her being saddled - and both Johnny V and a handler were both petting her and playfully smacking her shoulder to try and wake her up.

The first problem was when she got on the racetrack and first tried to refuse to warm up - than stumbled a few times in her warm up.

The second problem was when Johnny V. is telling the ESPN guys she's not warming up well at all.

The third problem was five minutes later - when the camera came back to Life At Ten and Bailey asked Johnny V. if she's doing any better and Johnny V. tells ESPN "No. Not really." Bailey asks what's wrong - and all Johnny V. says is "I'm not sure"

With all of those warning signals, JV should have made the decision to dismount. Did he really think he was going to win or hit the board with a horse that was growing worse as the seconds ticked by?

This is mind boggling. I wonder what kind of inquiries are being made about this.

I would have thought a whole lot better would come from both TAP and JV when presented with a situation like this.

[Arletta]

She was treated very unfair and that is what pisses me off. Pletcher should know his own damn horse and if she is acting out of sorts or not..If they were that concerned about it (and both appeared to be) then there should have never been any other decision than to scratch her. They are lucky she did'nt have a heart attack running in that race.

Plus, how in the hell would lights cause a horse to be subdued and gimpy like she was? That to me is a total crock of crap.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by Arletta

She was treated very unfair and that is what pisses me off. Pletcher should know his own damn horse and if she is acting out of sorts or not..If they were that concerned about it (and both appeared to be) then there should have never been any other decision than to scratch her.

You're talking about a trainer scratching a horse while 3/1 in a $2 million race beacuse she's quiet in the saddling area?

Pletcher leaves the discussion once Life At Ten hits the track. He doesn't even watch the warm-up or post parade - after he saddles the horse he goes to some room to watch the race.

Originally Posted by Arletta

They are lucky she did'nt have a heart attack running in that race.

Life At Ten is classy speed horse - she ran her opening quarter mile in 28.84 seconds - I haven't made my pace figures yet ... but she didn't run fast enough to have a heart attack.

The slowest horse on the backside of Penn National would have been in front of her.

[Rileyoriley]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

You're talking about a trainer scratching a horse while 3/1 in a $2 million race beacuse she's quiet in the saddling area?

Pletcher leaves the discussion once Life At Ten hits the track. He doesn't even watch the warm-up or post parade - after he saddles the horse he goes to some room to watch the race.




Life At Ten is classy speed horse - she ran her opening quarter mile in 28.84 seconds - I haven't made my pace figures yet ... but she didn't run fast enough to have a heart attack.

The slowest horse on the backside of Penn National would have been in front of her.

I have to disagree with you. A GOOD trainer would be concerned if his horse wasn't acting normally and WOULD watch her warm up in the post parade.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by Rileyoriley

I have to disagree with you. A GOOD trainer would be concerned if his horse wasn't acting normally and WOULD watch her warm up in the post parade.

So, Pletcher isn't a "GOOD" trainer?

What's he going to do - sprint onto the racetrack and use his body as a human shield to prevent his horse from being able to load into stall #1??

If the blame is on anyone - it's on the jockey and or vet.