Poly speed disaster at keeneland

[bogeydaman]

Way to early to say that based on 3 Kee days that Poly is unfair to speed horses (based on only 1 winner). Last I checked Woodbine is Poly. The same Friday to Sunday cards last week at Woodbine had 8 winners out of 28 races that were 1st or 2nd and < 1/2 length from the lead after the 1st quarter.

Oh, and that was the same number of front running winners during the same Friday to Sunday days as Oak Tree, a traditionally speed favoring track.

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by bogeydaman

Way to early to say that based on 3 Kee days that Poly is unfair to speed horses (based on only 1 winner). Last I checked Woodbine is Poly. The same Friday to Sunday cards last week at Woodbine had 8 winners out of 28 races that were 1st or 2nd and < 1/2 length from the lead after the 1st quarter.

Oh, and that was the same number of front running winners during the same Friday to Sunday days as Oak Tree, a traditionally speed favoring track.

I believe I heard somewhere that Keeneland had changed up the surface though... I would guess that the fill of poly has something to do with that.

[sumitas]

2nd race 9f, the fav wins from off the pace with a huge run in the stretch.

Let's remember that the stretch at Keeneland used to be downhill. There was a 9 foot difference between the hi and lo points of the former surface.

This meet the track has been leveled and the turns made more sweeping so it's not all poly folks.

[Downthestretch55]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Yeah I'm sure that has something to do with it. And I have stayed out of this talk because I still think it is too early to get a read, but just in watching the races and replays horses on the front end do seem to be struggling home. If it's a bias, okay, I'll just look for horses to come off the pace, but wow, what a change from previous meets. I guess as a bettor, I'm okay with a bias, I'll just have to bet accordingly. But I can see this bias having a negative effect on things such as breeding which has been brought up previous. We'll see.

Yup DaHoss,
I've stayed off this thread as well.
Now I'm waiting for future threads like:
What if Affleet Alex had run on poly. Or Slew, Bid...
This hypothetical bs could go on and on.
Look at the "dream BC" theread and ya get the picture.
If you're unable to talk about "reality"...might as well go for something else.

[sumitas]

fav closed for 3rd, the long shot speed finished 2nd and a long shot off the pace wins by 3 L after a drive down the stretch. should be a biggie ex. $320.60...it's not like the speed is completely folding. off the pace horses may just be better as far as the win goes. we'll need to see more.

[TitanSooner]

Originally Posted by sumitas

fav closed for 3rd, the long shot speed finished 2nd and a long shot off the pace wins by 3 L after a drive down the stretch. should be a biggie ex.

interesting thing I noticed after looking at the race after it had finished, the 7 was the only horse in the field with a run over turf.

[1st_Saturday_in_May]

Man, didnt think the 2 was getting caught at all. Looked to be the winner until very late...