Are the Patriots better without Randy Moss?

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by Dahoss

Since Moss left the Pats are 3-0 and look they might be the best team in the AFC, with the Jets, Dolphins, Ravens and Steelers all close.

Moss with the Vikings....1-4, the win by a fg over the Cowboys. The clubhouse is in a mess, not all his fault, but he helped.

I think it's safe to say the Pats are better without him.

1-3.

They lost road games to the Jets, Packers, and Patriots ... underdogs in all games and basically had a good chance to win every game.

Of course, Brett Favre having elbow tendonitis, getting caught cheating on his cancer stricken wife with penis texts one day before Moss got there - and Favre losing three fumbles on snaps, throwing INT's to linebackers, and playing through two fractures in ankles helped.

You're right - The Vikings should have killed the Jets in NY, KILLED the Packers in GB, KILLED the Pats in foxboro where they haven't lost a regular season game with Brady since 2006.

I agree with your underlying claim that the Minnesota Vikings are the best team in the NFL with Moss .. and had absolutely no business losing any of those three road games.

After all - with Favre healthy, before any penis texts, they had an offense that ranked 32nd in the NFL in scoring .. and the only win they had was a come from behind home win over the Lions.

The healthy Favre with a happy Cancer stricken wife pre penis texts almost got shut out at home by the Miami Dolphins and turned it over 5 times.

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

1-3.

They lost road games to the Jets, Packers, and Patriots ... underdogs in all games and basically had a good chance to win every game.

Of course, Brett Favre having elbow tendonitis, getting caught cheating on his cancer stricken wife with penis texts one day before Moss got there - and Favre losing three fumbles on snaps, throwing INT's to linebackers, and playing through two fractures in ankles helped.

You're right - The Vikings should have killed the Jets in NY, KILLED the Packers in GB, KILLED the Pats in foxboro where they haven't lost a regular season game with Brady since 2006.

I agree with your underlying claim that the Minnesota Vikings are the best team in the NFL with Moss .. and had absolutely no business losing any of those three road games.

After all - with Favre healthy, before any penis texts, they had an offense that ranked 32nd in the NFL in scoring .. and the only win they had was a come from behind home win over the Lions.

The healthy Favre with a happy Cancer stricken wife pre penis texts almost got shut out at home by the Miami Dolphins and turned it over 5 times.

The point is the Pats are better without him. You can make all of the excuses you want. They are.

[Dahoss]

Anyone still think the Pats aren't better without Moss? Are the Titans better with him?

[RockHardTen1985]

I can only imagine why this thread was bumped. What a waste of life.

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

I can only imagine why this thread was bumped. What a waste of life.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nTegy6sBQVA

[philcski]

Originally Posted by Dahoss

Anyone still think the Pats aren't better without Moss? Are the Titans better with him?

Definitely. Brady is spreading the field much better like he did in the pre-Moss days. Think what you want about the Patriots (I hate them for obvious reasons) but it's hard not to be awed by Brady. If I had to pick a best QB ever, I'd take him.

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by philcski

Definitely. Brady is spreading the field much better like he did in the pre-Moss days. Think what you want about the Patriots (I hate them for obvious reasons) but it's hard not to be awed by Brady. If I had to pick a best QB ever, I'd take him.

He's great obviously, but I don't know about best ever.

[philcski]

Originally Posted by Dahoss

He's great obviously, but I don't know about best ever.

Go through the list of the greats and give me a couple that you'd definitely want over him- there's probably a few which I couldn't debate if you chose them. It's obviously a very difficult, if not impossible, question to answer, but for my money I'd take him.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by philcski

Go through the list of the greats and give me a couple that you'd definitely want over him- there's probably a few which I couldn't debate if you chose them. It's obviously a very difficult, if not impossible, question to answer, but for my money I'd take him.

Golden Joe was better. Elway was better. Not indisputable though. Brady is in the conversation either way.

Manning is playing out of his mind.

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by philcski

Go through the list of the greats and give me a couple that you'd definitely want over him- there's probably a few which I couldn't debate if you chose them. It's obviously a very difficult, if not impossible, question to answer, but for my money I'd take him.

Montana definitely. Johnny Unitas or Bart Starr maybe, but they played before I was born, so it's tough to make a a strong arguement for them. Maybe Brett Favre if he retired four years ago. Brady's better than Peyton Manning but not by much.

Don't get me wrong, Brady is fantastic. But he also plays in a system that made Matt Cassel 11-5 as a starter and makes guys like Benjarvis Green Ellis look like a Pro Bowler.

Edit: I see Dala mentioned Elway. I agree, but like she said it's disputable.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by philcski

Definitely. Brady is spreading the field much better like he did in the pre-Moss days.

I don't understand why more teams don't try and copy cat what the Cleveland Browns did on defense to the Pats.

They kept guys standing up and walking around pre-snap - sometimes as many as 10 guys up on obvious passing downs. They had the safties up and were begging Brady to beat them with long passes.

Cleveland's game plan was pretty simple - basically dare Brady to beat them deep and confuse him on passing downs by having guys walking around pre snap.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by Dahoss

Anyone still think the Pats aren't better without Moss? Are the Titans better with him?

It's not easy learning a teams entire playbook and verbage in like 3 whole practices.

Not to mention that Kerry Collins and Vince Young have been injured - and the starting qb is a 5th round draft pick out of Florida A&M.

Is Florida A &M even one of the ten best college football programs in the state of Florida?

Moss was a decoy on the Pats this year. They went 3-1 with him - the lone defeat a road loss against the Jets. They scored an NFL best 33 points a game in those four games.

In those four games - Moss was always covered .. and at least one other reciever or tight end was always wide open.

The Pats offensive line has been giving Brady so much time - that these guys are still getting wide open without Moss to help create space.

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

It's not easy learning a teams entire playbook and verbage in like 3 whole practices.

Not to mention that Kerry Collins and Vince Young have been injured - and the starting qb is a 5th round draft pick out of Florida A&M.

Is Florida A &M even one of the ten best college football programs in the state of Florida?

Moss was a decoy on the Pats this year. They went 3-1 with him - the lone defeat a road loss against the Jets. They scored an NFL best 33 points a game in those four games.

In those four games - Moss was always covered .. and at least one other reciever or tight end was always wide open.

The Pats offensive line has been giving Brady so much time - that these guys are still getting wide open without Moss to help create space.

Blah, blah, blah.

You'd rather put a hot poker in your eyes than admit you were wrong....ever. Joey S. agrees though, which should always make one question their opinion.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by Dahoss

Blah, blah, blah.

You'd rather put a hot poker in your eyes than admit you were wrong....ever. Joey S. agrees though, which should always make one question their opinion.

About football?

I'm wrong all the time.

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

About football?

I'm wrong all the time.

I know.