Jockey's pay, interesting info

Originally Posted by Cardus

A friend of mine goes to the Derby every year, and usually hangs out around the walking ring and the passage way to the jocks room. He is pretty good at getting jocks to sign posters, programs, etc. (It's for his collection, he is not an e-bay hawk.) After the 2004 Derby, Pat Day is walking back to the jockeys' quarters full of mud, beaten badly if I recall. He sees a 90-year-old man being pushed in his wheelchair by his son. The man's tee-shirt says, "I'm 90 years old, and this is my first Derby." Day hops a fence and spends five minutes with the man. It had to make his day.

Day could have kept walking, but took time out after the world's biggest race to meet someone. That's great.

(And to think that no big-name jockey gets more crap than him at Belmont Park.)

His rides were questionable at best on easy Goer and even worse on the Seeking the Gold(pull up his travers sometime, I still get angry and red faced watching it).
But as a human being hes one of the most incredible people you will ever meet. That story with the man in the wheelchair is pretty much what you would expect from Pat. Not surprising at all. In a world where so many people don't practice what they preach, Pat is a man who preaches so much, and practices every bit of that and more.
That being said his rides on Goer and Seeking The Gold probably took years off Shug's life.

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by Cardus

A friend of mine with a small stable that races in New York thinks that Day's riding record was, to some degree, a reflection of a perenially weak Kentucky riding colony. Agree or disagree?

I remember Day's interview with Chris "Mad Dog" Russo from WFAN here in New York, after the Breeders' Cup Classic vs. Sunday Silence. After Russo -- who might know that a horse has four legs, it's a 50-50 on that one -- berates him for his ride, Day tells him that he knows nothing about racing and hangs up.

Can't say I blame Pat on that one... better that than to argue it til he's blue in the face like Clinton tends to do. LMAO...

I didn't understand enough about racing when Pat was riding Easy Goer to know that he rode him poorly... I was only 9.

[Seattleallstar]

Sunday SIlence was better than Easy Goer

Originally Posted by Seattleallstar

Sunday SIlence was better than Easy Goer

Yeah he sure looked it in the belmont didn't he? Only got beat a football field.

[Seattleallstar]

ky derby, preakness, BC..hmmmmmmmmm

Originally Posted by Seattleallstar

ky derby, preakness, BC..hmmmmmmmmm

small margins with qustionable rides.
They both got clear trips on no medication one time, and Easy Goer drilled him and humiliated him.
And of course we all know about the famous attending vet Harthill(now passed away) and his famous methods Seattle, but you are too young and dumb to understand what journalists tried to say between the lines about him and SS when Goer couldnt even run on lasix.
Tell you what I do KNOW!!! When SS shipped to belmont they told ole Charlie that there was gonna be round the clock surveillance on his horse, "to make sure he was safe and noone got to him". LOL!!! Ole charlie sure was full of bravado after the Derby and before the Preakness, but was awfully bitter and on edge the weekend of the Belmont.
The real deal was that Easy Goers connections knew and felt that ole Doc Harthill was the problem. And no way, no how was he getting near him before the Belmont.
We know the rest, Easy Goer disposed of SS like tissue paper under a snug hold and just cruised home. Funny what happens when horses are put under surveillance huh.

Originally Posted by oracle80

small margins with qustionable rides.
They both got clear trips on no medication one time, and Easy Goer drilled him and humiliated him.
And of course we all know about the famous attending vet Harthill(now passed away) and his famous methods Seattle, but you are too young and dumb to understand what journalists tried to say between the lines about him and SS when Goer couldnt even run on lasix.
Tell you what I do KNOW!!! When SS shipped to belmont they told ole Charlie that there was gonna be round the clock surveillance on his horse, "to make sure he was safe and noone got to him". LOL!!! Ole charlie sure was full of bravado after the Derby and before the Preakness, but was awfully bitter and on edge the weekend of the Belmont.
The real deal was that Easy Goers connections knew and felt that ole Doc Harthill was the problem. And no way, no how was he getting near him before the Belmont.
We know the rest, Easy Goer disposed of SS like tissue paper under a snug hold and just cruised home. Funny what happens when horses are put under surveillance huh.

No horse could run on Lasix in NY in those years. I seem to remember that Easy Goer didn't run on it during the TC races but Sunday did (except the Belmont). Hmmmm.....
Do you know what Easy Goer died from? Autopsy showed tumors on every organ in his body. Mr. Shug is a DMSO jugging guy. The tumors were blamed on that. Do you know what DMSO jugging is for?? Mr. Shug is no saint.

Originally Posted by oracle80

small margins with qustionable rides.
They both got clear trips on no medication one time, and Easy Goer drilled him and humiliated him.
And of course we all know about the famous attending vet Harthill(now passed away) and his famous methods Seattle, but you are too young and dumb to understand what journalists tried to say between the lines about him and SS when Goer couldnt even run on lasix.
Tell you what I do KNOW!!! When SS shipped to belmont they told ole Charlie that there was gonna be round the clock surveillance on his horse, "to make sure he was safe and noone got to him". LOL!!! Ole charlie sure was full of bravado after the Derby and before the Preakness, but was awfully bitter and on edge the weekend of the Belmont.
The real deal was that Easy Goers connections knew and felt that ole Doc Harthill was the problem. And no way, no how was he getting near him before the Belmont.
We know the rest, Easy Goer disposed of SS like tissue paper under a snug hold and just cruised home. Funny what happens when horses are put under surveillance huh.

Harthill was a nice guy. So nice that most of the security guys looked the other way. If you knew him you couldn't help but like him.

[Cajungator26]

I personally thought that while Easy Goer was the more talented of the two, Sunday Silence was much the fighter... I don't believe we ever saw a 100% Easy Goer, although that's just my opinion...

Well let me edit that...

I think that Easy Goer fooled around... could have beaten SS, but the maturity wasn't there.

[Revolution]

Originally Posted by oracle80

Yeah he sure looked it in the belmont didn't he? Only got beat a football field.

Who are you kidding. Sunday Silence beat him when it counted. In the KY Derby and the Breeder's Cup Classic. They raced 4 times and he beat Easy Goer three of them. Results. Not potential.

Originally Posted by Cardus

One huge difference between the two was 'Silence's capability on the turns. 'Goer was a long-striding horse who was perfect for Belmont Park. That was one principal reason that he won the Belmont Stakes. (Also, I saw an interview with Whittingham a few years later in which he said that his horse's hooves were sore before the Belmont.)

I imagine lots of things were sore with Harthill not being able to go near him at Belmont.
Don't you find it a bit odd that the margins were a nose, neck and length when SS won, and when Goer won it was by the length of a football field?
Its just coiincidence that Harthill couldn't get near him at belmont right?

[The Bid]

Harthill won more derbys than any jockey ever has. He would have told you that himself. I will admit I was and still am a huge Sunday Silence fan. What a great sire hes been.