Crist: Zenyatta needs to earn title on track

[Princess Doreen]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

Just to confirm, your opinion is, essentially, if she wins the Classic, she can rightfully be called the greatest horse ever. If she loses, then it's up for debate. Beating Blame and Lookin at Lucky will catapult her into the top spot.

Aw - yes - words are cut apart with scalpel precision. I didn't mean to imply that she would deserve the title of the "greatest horse ever". Greater than Secretariat or even CIGAR? Not in my opinion. Rather, if she wins the Classic, she would justifiably deserve 2010 Horse of the Year, a future spot in Racing's Hall of Fame, perhaps classified as the greatest or one of the greatest mares of all time.

I'm not being coy or veiled in sarcasm when I say that I am prepared for the groundswell of overexuberance by all those people who have felt that she had gotten robbed the previous two years in the Eclipse voting. And, suffice it to say, IF she does wins the Classic, a great many "people who follow the sport" in a much higher ionosphere in experience and knowledge than me will be laying all kinds of laurels at her feet ad infinitum and ad nauseum for months, if not years, to come. This mare will be hyped until one's mind goes numb. Some may even go so far as to say she's "the greatest", but I'm sure their peers will set that record straight.

So gird your loins and keep lots of Di-Gel on hand for those of you who think differently.

I think she's going to win, and it will be fun to watch the celebration and the endless flow of words using new-found phrases of praise for her accomplishments.

And, beating Blame, Looking at Lucky, Quality Road, and all the rest of the boys on dirt a couple thousand miles away from her comfort CA homebase is an accomplishment. It would be the greatest accomplishment of her career if she can pull it off.

[Left Bank]

Most of the people who are fanatics of Camp Z don't really know **** about racing in the first place.For instance:http://www.horseracing.com/blog/20-and-done-means-no-1
Dude was definitely hitting the crack pipe a little too much!!

[the_fat_man]

Originally Posted by Left Bank

Most of the people who are fanatics of Camp Z don't really know **** about racing in the first place.For instance:http://www.horseracing.com/blog/20-and-done-means-no-1
Dude was definitely hitting the crack pipe a little too much!!

Absolutely correct. Unlike those in the RA and QR camps, of course, who do know s h it when it comes to racing.

F L U S H (as in the toilet -- and, as in their seasons)

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by Princess Doreen

I'm not being coy or veiled in sarcasm when I say that I am prepared for the groundswell of overexuberance by all those people who have felt that she had gotten robbed the previous two years in the Eclipse voting.

Those people are morons. She didn't deserve either HOY.

Originally Posted by Princess Doreen

And, suffice it to say, IF she does wins the Classic, a great many "people who follow the sport" in a much higher ionosphere in experience and knowledge than me will be laying all kinds of laurels at her feet ad infinitum and ad nauseum for months, if not years, to come. This mare will be hyped until one's mind goes numb.

Too late. This is already happening.

Originally Posted by Princess Doreen

Some may even go so far as to say she's "the greatest", but I'm sure their peers will set that record straight.

Once again, this has long been happening. They're very difficult to 'set straight'.

Originally Posted by Princess Doreen

And, beating Blame, Looking at Lucky, Quality Road, and all the rest of the boys on dirt a couple thousand miles away from her comfort CA homebase is an accomplishment. It would be the greatest accomplishment of her career if she can pull it off.

This is true, but it says far more about the yawnworthy campaigns she's run than it does about her accomplishment.

[Danzig]

if zenyatta deserves hoy should she win the classic, does that mean super saver deserves top three year old? he did win the derby, the biggest race for 3 yo colts...so i guess it's not even up for discussion.
it seems just a few years back, there was a lot of criticism of azeri getting hoy for her campaign-but zenyatta supposedly deserves to win this year regardless of what she does next saturday?!

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by Danzig

if zenyatta deserves hoy should she win the classic, does that mean super saver deserves top three year old? he did win the derby, the biggest race for 3 yo colts...so i guess it's not even up for discussion.
it seems just a few years back, there was a lot of criticism of azeri getting hoy for her campaign-but zenyatta supposedly deserves to win this year regardless of what she does next saturday?!

NO YOU STUPID BECUZ SUPER SAVER LOST!!!!!

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by HomerS

Dahoss. This is a stupid post.

Someone implying if she wins the Classic its like super saver winning the Derby

I know you missed this post. Just like you missed all the others..

No, it's not. The Derby is the biggest race for three-year-olds, the Classic is the biggest race for elders. Try again.

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by HomerS

troll

Seriously tell me you are joking

Has anyone said Cat Thief deserved HOY off a Classic win?

Did anyone argue Giacomo was best three year old?

You're so stupid, it's unbelievable. What you're saying was exactly her point. That simply winning the Classic shouldn't be the hands down slam dunk qualification for Zenyatta winning HOY.

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by HomerS

The implication was she hadnt accomplished anything. And even if she did win the Classic that shouldnt mean HOY

"if Zenyatta deserves"...

And if you are saying that winning the Classic is not enough to win HOY you arent very bright

Why not make it clear though. If she wins Classic is she HOY?

Do like the name calling though

It's like talking to a really shoddily made brick wall.

If it's not the Classic that gets her HOY, what is it? Her breathtaking wins over Taptam, Rinterval and Switch?

I don't think she should be HOY if she wins the Classic. It's Horse of the Year, not Horse of the Race, and assuming she wins, other than the Classic, she's done nothing but narrowly beat tomato cans all season.

You still have no point, unfortunately. She'll take the trophy if she wins next Saturday. But 'one race shouldn't get her the award' isn't illogical or biased, sorry.

[randallscott35]

Originally Posted by HomerS

Okay we are getting somewhere.

Humor me. Lets say she wins the Classic. Which is something I think would shock us both.

Who should be HOY?

Super Saver

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by HomerS

Okay we are getting somewhere.

Humor me. Lets say she wins the Classic. Which is something I think would shock us both.

Who should be HOY?

I'd most likely give it to Quality Road or Blame. Each won and placed in multiple significant handicap races this year.

You still haven't shown me illogical or biased statements from "east coasters" that parallel the greatest horse/mare ever inanity.

And I've said all along that I wouldn't be shocked to see Zenyatta win the Classic. Flies in the face of my 'Zenyatta hater' label, but I don't try to figure that one out.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by HomerS

troll

Seriously tell me you are joking

Has anyone said Cat Thief deserved HOY off a Classic win?

Did anyone argue Giacomo was best three year old?

nope, which makes one wonder why zenyatta deserves it based on a classic win-her races this year to date don't deserve hoy contention.

again, like i said before, this thread began because shirreffs averred that zenyatta deserved hoy even without a classic win. it's debatable with a win, should she get it. but without? absolutely not. but i guess all that, as well as my analogy, went over your head.

[Princess Doreen]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

Those people are morons. She didn't deserve either HOY.

Too late. This is already happening.

Once again, this has long been happening. They're very difficult to 'set straight'.

This is true, but it says far more about the yawnworthy campaigns she's run than it does about her accomplishment.

I don't believe she deserved HOY over Curlin and Rachel, but there's been a lot of knock down drag outs over those two issues. I'm still convinced that Jerry Moss was told in advance that she didn't win HOY last year and abruptly announced "she's out of retirement". I can't stand that man but like the rest of Z's connections.

Yup, it's been happening, but it's going to get worse - much worse if she wins the Classic. And, there will be the usual mean-spirited "Rachel who?" mentioned time and time again in the celebration of the zealots.

They shouldn't have been so candy ass about her campaigns the last three years. They never gave Z the chance to really prove what she could do up until now. I applaud their decision to take her to CD.

So much harm and bad feelings because of set-up camps for and against these two fabulous females. It's worse than the Hatfields and the McCoys. What a shame!

I still love the RAITCH but I wish the best for ZENNY - safe journeys to, during, and back home again.

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by Princess Doreen

I don't believe she deserved HOY over Curlin and Rachel, but there's been a lot of knock down drag outs over those two issues. I'm still convinced that Jerry Moss was told in advance that she didn't win HOY last year and abruptly announced "she's out of retirement". I can't stand that man but like the rest of Z's connections.

Yup, it's been happening, but it's going to get worse - much worse if she wins the Classic. And, there will be the usual mean-spirited "Rachel who?" mentioned time and time again in the celebration of the zealots.

They shouldn't have been so candy ass about her campaigns the last three years. They never gave Z the chance to really prove what she could do up until now. I applaud their decision to take her to CD.

So much harm and bad feelings because of set-up camps for and against these two fabulous females. It's worse than the Hatfields and the McCoys. What a shame!

I still love the RAITCH but I wish the best for ZENNY - safe journeys to, during, and back home again.

We essentially agree, although I think you're wrong that it's still Rachel fans vs. Zenyatta fans. With Rachel's ho-hum performance this year and her being retired, it's much more become Zenyatta fans vs. reality.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

We essentially agree, although I think you're wrong that it's still Rachel fans vs. Zenyatta fans. With Rachel's ho-hum performance this year and her being retired, it's much more become Zenyatta fans vs. reality.

i can't understand why rachel still gets brought up at all. she had a good year, but she's certainly not done anything this year to warrant any attention. and i fail to understand the point behind zenyatta fans bringing rachel up when zenyatta gets mentioned. if she didn't deserve hoy in their minds, why do they still use rachel as a measuring stick?

[Princess Doreen]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

We essentially agree, although I think you're wrong that it's still Rachel fans vs. Zenyatta fans. With Rachel's ho-hum performance this year and her being retired, it's much more become Zenyatta fans vs. reality.

I agree with what you're saying, but there's still a great deal of animosity toward Rachel for depriving Zenyatta of HOY last year. Rachel shouldn't be in the equation, but she still is. It's strange that there is this rivalry between two horses that never met on the track.