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10-29-2010, 06:29 PM
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If Zenyatta wins the BC Classic, she deserves all the accolades and all the awards that can be laid at her feet.
I think she can pull it off. I've always been and shall remain a Rachel fan but never at the expense of dissing Zenyatta.
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10-29-2010, 06:36 PM
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10-29-2010, 06:41 PM
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It's common sense which doesn't apply with this fanbase. She has her shot on the track, so no excuses for her, Blame, Lucky, and Quality Road.
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10-29-2010, 06:46 PM
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Some people will argue the shape of a sidewalk crack and go to the trouble of picking fly dirt out of pepper. It's my opinion, so CHILL.
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10-29-2010, 06:56 PM
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10-29-2010, 06:40 PM
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It's one thing for people outside the sport to look at her record and go "DURRR SHE NEVAH LOST BEST HORSE EVAH" but for people who follow the sport to say things like "if she wins the Classic, every award she gets and everything that's said about her is justified", it's frankly mindboggling. It's wildly untrue.
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10-30-2010, 07:13 AM
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When I said she deserved all accolades, I left out the word plausible.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/...n6999875.shtml "If she pulls this off, in my book - of course, I'm a little bit one-sided - but I think…she could be the greatest horse of all time," Smith says. That kind of career would put her up there with the most famous Triple Crown Winner, Secretariat, considered one of the greatest ever. But Smith thinks his mount could be even better than Secretariat after a Breeder's Cup win. Bob Simon reports on Zenyatta's quest for horse-racing history on "60 Minutes" this Sunday, Oct. 31, at 7 p.m. ET/PT.
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10-30-2010, 09:34 AM
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I have not encountered one single person that " hates " Zenyatta. Not a soul. What I have encountered are a lot of loose cannons that in their fear of seeing Zenyatta accurately assessed have labeled all those with an unbiased opinion of her to be " haters " and have resorted to as many diversionary tactics as they could possibly dream up. They obfuscate the truth by ignoring competition, surface, race restrictions, and mostly by introducing complete non-sequitors on a continual basis ( i.e. last year's HOY Award and most notably Rachel Alexandra ). Karl Rove would be proud. Zenyatta is a VERY good horse. However, she will never be as good, based on her actual racetrack performances, as some want us to believe. Nothing wrong with that, as some want us to believe she is the greatest horse of all time, and nothing could be further from the truth. An impressive win in this BC Classic would prove a lot, and certainly elevate her lofty status, but by the same token, a mediocre performance should be viewed as exposing her weaknesses that heretofore have been either ignored or strongly denied. What the hell is wrong with being an exceptional racehorse? Why is it so important to manufacture praise that isn't necessarily warranted to enjoy talent these days? And why are those that question the overzealousness suddenly " haters " when they are actually nothing more than realists?
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Just more nebulous nonsense from BBB
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10-30-2010, 09:38 AM
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10-30-2010, 11:24 AM
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Sounded like he and Zenyatta are going to BC might be gas?
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10-30-2010, 10:38 AM
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 i'm pretty sure this latest round of discussion began because it was said that zenyatta deserved HOY even if she lost. there is no way her campaign with a loss next saturday would warrant that award-or even being one of the finalists.
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10-30-2010, 11:00 AM
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 Diversionary tactics and a non-sequiturs! Glenn Beck would be proud of you for exposing the conspiracy.
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10-30-2010, 03:39 PM
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10-30-2010, 03:44 PM
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I l Cigar, Medaglia d'Oro, Big Brown, Curlin, Rachel Alexandra, Silver Charm, First Samurai, Sumwonlovesyou, Lloydobler, Ausable Chasm, AND Prince Will I Am "Be daring, be different, be impractical, be anything that will assert integrity of purpose and imaginative vision against the play-it-safers, the creatures of the commonplace, the slaves of the ordinary.” Cecil Beaton
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10-30-2010, 04:30 PM
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One thing that comes across in these discussions is that some seem to be speaking a completely different language than others.
Like if some say Zenyatta doesn't deserve HOY if she doesn't win the Classic, it gets taken as that person thinks she sucks....wrong. If you don't think she is an all time great, you are a hater...wrong. I have yet to see one person say she sucks...ever. I've also never seen anyone not say she isn't a really good, maybe even great horse. Where the disagreement lies is in her place among the greats and the all time status she has been granted while beating up on mediocre (being nice) competition. If there is emotion on the side of the realists (haters) it's because some awfully good racehorses have been pushed aside in an effort to crown a horse that has not proven it on the track. Sorry, there is more to a record.
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