Brother Derek

[King Glorious]

Originally Posted by Blue Eyes

Why bother shipping him for those kinds of races when he can find similiar or better in Cal and win them?

The Swaps is the only big race in California for 3yo's on the dirt after the TC. The purse there is $250k, $350k if u are a BC eligible horse. The purse for the WV Derby is $750k. For the Indiana Derby it's $500k. The Super Derby was run for $500k. Do u still have to ask why bother?

Originally Posted by King Glorious

The Swaps is the only big race in California for 3yo's on the dirt after the TC. The purse there is $250k, $350k if u are a BC eligible horse. The purse for the WV Derby is $750k. For the Indiana Derby it's $500k. The Super Derby was run for $500k. Do u still have to ask why bother?

Yes, why bother shipping a horse outside of California that won't/can't win outside of California? Now do you understand what I am saying about the horse? I was trying to be nice to his fans.

[King Glorious]

Originally Posted by Blue Eyes

Yes, why bother shipping a horse outside of California that won't/can't win outside of California? Now do you understand what I am saying about the horse? I was trying to be nice to his fans.

That's silly. Are u saying that if the Derby was in Cali, he would have beaten Barbaro? If the Preakness was in Cali, he would have beaten Bernardini? If that's your belief, this is useless. The fact is that he wasn't going to win those races no matter where they were held. But if he had shipped to the Indiana Derby or the WV Derby, he wouldn't have been facing Barbaro and Bernardini. It wasn't where the races were being held that was getting him beat. He can ship to Japan and beat horses like Cielo Gold and Star Dabbler. Come on now.

Originally Posted by King Glorious

That's silly. Are u saying that if the Derby was in Cali, he would have beaten Barbaro? If the Preakness was in Cali, he would have beaten Bernardini? If that's your belief, this is useless. The fact is that he wasn't going to win those races no matter where they were held. But if he had shipped to the Indiana Derby or the WV Derby, he wouldn't have been facing Barbaro and Bernardini. It wasn't where the races were being held that was getting him beat. He can ship to Japan and beat horses like Cielo Gold and Star Dabbler. Come on now.

Did I say anything about him beating Barbaro or Bernardini???? What I am saying is the horses' style of running is more suited to Cal. He's a Cal-bred, and he needs to stay in Cal. He needs to run with his caliber of horses, and hope no big dawgs ship in for the big races next year. He was the best 3yr. old in Cal this year. Can he be the best 4 yr. old in Cal next year? I don't see it.
Kentucky Derby, Preakness in Cal??? Ha. And no, Bro D. still wouldn't have beaten any of the TC winners this year had they ran the races in Cal.

[King Glorious]

Originally Posted by Blue Eyes

Did I say anything about him beating Barbaro or Bernardini???? What I am saying is the horses' style of running is more suited to Cal. He's a Cal-bred, and he needs to stay in Cal. He needs to run with his caliber of horses, and hope no big dawgs ship in for the big races next year. He was the best 3yr. old in Cal this year. Can he be the best 4 yr. old in Cal next year? I don't see it.
Kentucky Derby, Preakness in Cal??? Ha. And no, Bro D. still wouldn't have beaten any of the TC winners this year had they ran the races in Cal.

So u say he needs to run with his caliber of horses. In other words, u are saying that he couldn't run with Star Dabbler or Cielo Gold or Bright One? Are u seriously suggesting that those horses outclass him? If not, then why couldn't he ship to Indiana and run with them? If u are saying there is no need to ship to the Haskell, the Jim Dandy, or the Travers.....I'd go along with that. But to say he couldn't run with the horses that were in the Indiana Derby based simply on the fact that the race wasn't in California is a pretty silly opinion.

Originally Posted by King Glorious

So u say he needs to run with his caliber of horses. In other words, u are saying that he couldn't run with Star Dabbler or Cielo Gold or Bright One? Are u seriously suggesting that those horses outclass him? If not, then why couldn't he ship to Indiana and run with them? If u are saying there is no need to ship to the Haskell, the Jim Dandy, or the Travers.....I'd go along with that. But to say he couldn't run with the horses that were in the Indiana Derby based simply on the fact that the race wasn't in California is a pretty silly opinion.

OK, so why the hell didn't his trainer ship him for those races??? The horse has proven he's not a great shipper. Why ship him out of the state to lose???

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[King Glorious]

Originally Posted by Blue Eyes

OK, so why the hell didn't his trainer ship him for those races??? The horse has proven he's not a great shipper. Why ship him out of the state to lose???

Think about what u are saying here for just a moment. U saying he's afraid to ship him out of state to face the vaunted Star Dabbler and Cielo Gold in the Indiana Derby......but willing to ship him out of state to face Bernardini and Invasor as well as Lava Man? What kind of sense does this make? U say that horse has proven he's not a great shipper only because he lost races that he would have lost anywhere. If he was facing Bernardini and Barbaro in California, he still would have lost. Then would u say that he needs to ship to Mexico because he's proven that he's not able to win in the U.S.? He lost those races not due to shipping but due to facing better horses, something that he wouldn't have had to do in Indiana or West Virginia. If he was shipping and losing to the same horses that he had beaten in Cali, then u would have a point. But there is nothing to suggest shipping has been the problem. The competition has.

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Originally Posted by Blue Eyes

OK, so why the hell didn't his trainer ship him for those races??? The horse has proven he's not a great shipper. Why ship him out of the state to lose???

Hendricks did say that he hated shipping Brother Derek and would prefered not too for the big summer races. He briefly considered the Haskell. This is a mindset I don't believe in. If you have a talented 3 yr old that can definiltly win some of those races, you have to ship him. Outside of the Swaps there are no major races for the 3 yr olds. If you want to prove his worth you have to ship to the East there is no way around it. You can get away with it if you have a talented older horse since Cali has alot of great races but for 3 yr olds there is no option besides some really weak San " something" stakes at Del Mar.
I think he did this horse wrong this year.