Are the Patriots better without Randy Moss?

[Dahoss]

Who has the tie breaker right now?

[Dahoss]

Since Moss left the Pats are 3-0 and look they might be the best team in the AFC, with the Jets, Dolphins, Ravens and Steelers all close.

Moss with the Vikings....1-4, the win by a fg over the Cowboys. The clubhouse is in a mess, not all his fault, but he helped.

I think it's safe to say the Pats are better without him.

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by Dahoss

Since Moss left the Pats are 3-0 and look they might be the best team in the AFC, with the Jets, Dolphins, Ravens and Steelers all close.

Moss with the Vikings....1-4, the win by a fg over the Cowboys. The clubhouse is in a mess, not all his fault, but he helped.

I think it's safe to say the Pats are better without him.

[Dahoss]

I might be a week too premature with that. I want to see how they play against the Ravens. They've only lost to us, the Pats and Steelers.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by Dahoss

I might be a week too premature with that. I want to see how they play against the Ravens. They've only lost to us, the Pats and Steelers.

I think the Steelers are the best team in AFC... with Jets right behind them & Pats, Ravens etc.

[clyde]

Not my fault you are a snarky bitchy bully

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by clyde

Not my fault you are a snarky bitchy bull-dyke

FTFY

jk tho

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

The Jets got shut out by the Packers at home.

How did the Vikings offense look in Green Bay one week prior?


The Patriots are freaking 4 points favorites over the Cleveland Browns this week. Anyone who's watched their last three games knows they got outplayed badly in all of them. Turnovers are gold. The Patriots defense is as good as it gets of late.

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

The Jets got shut out by the Packers at home.

How did the Vikings offense look in Green Bay one week prior?


The Patriots are freaking 4 points favorites over the Cleveland Browns this week. Anyone who's watched their last three games knows they got outplayed badly in all of them. Turnovers are gold. The Patriots defense is as good as it gets of late.

You're losing it. The Jets had 360 yards of offense and lost because of two bullshit calls on interceptions and uncharacteristic drops by the WRs. The Packers' defense was good but it sure as hell wasn't dominant.

Enjoy being a Rams 'fan'. You're not gonna get an argument from me that the Pats are unbelievably fortunate to be 6-1.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

You're losing it. The Jets had 360 yards of offense.

The Jets had 360 yards and scored 0 points against the Pack AT HOME.

Minny had over 400 yards and scored 24 points against the Pack on the road - despite having instant replay overturn 3 TD's. One of which the NFL later admited it got wrong. That with a wounded QB.

The Vikings offense had back to back 400+ total yard games ON THE ROAD against the Packers and Patroits.

Spin all you want .. but only a tard thinks there offense was struggling with Moss. The offense was going in the right direction. The Over wouldn't be 8-0 in all 8 Moss games this year if his offense was sh!t.

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

The Jets had 360 yards and scored 0 points against the Pack AT HOME.

Minny had over 400 yards and scored 24 points against the Pack on the road - despite having instant replay overturn 3 TD's. One of which the NFL later admited it got wrong. That with a wounded QB.

The Vikings offense had back to back 400+ total yard games ON THE ROAD against the Packers and Patroits.

Spin all you want .. but only a tard thinks there offense was struggling with Moss. The offense was going in the right direction. The Over wouldn't be 8-0 in all 8 Moss games this year if his offense was sh!t.

I don't give a sh it about the Vikings or Moss. They're completely irrelevant to me. I only wanted to let you know the Packers didn't smother the Jets on Sunday like you think they did.

Like I said, enjoy trying to get people to care about the Rams.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by Dahoss

Since Moss left the Pats are 3-0 and look they might be the best team in the AFC, with the Jets, Dolphins, Ravens and Steelers all close.

Moss with the Vikings....1-4, the win by a fg over the Cowboys. The clubhouse is in a mess, not all his fault, but he helped.

I think it's safe to say the Pats are better without him.

1-3.

They lost road games to the Jets, Packers, and Patriots ... underdogs in all games and basically had a good chance to win every game.

Of course, Brett Favre having elbow tendonitis, getting caught cheating on his cancer stricken wife with penis texts one day before Moss got there - and Favre losing three fumbles on snaps, throwing INT's to linebackers, and playing through two fractures in ankles helped.

You're right - The Vikings should have killed the Jets in NY, KILLED the Packers in GB, KILLED the Pats in foxboro where they haven't lost a regular season game with Brady since 2006.

I agree with your underlying claim that the Minnesota Vikings are the best team in the NFL with Moss .. and had absolutely no business losing any of those three road games.

After all - with Favre healthy, before any penis texts, they had an offense that ranked 32nd in the NFL in scoring .. and the only win they had was a come from behind home win over the Lions.

The healthy Favre with a happy Cancer stricken wife pre penis texts almost got shut out at home by the Miami Dolphins and turned it over 5 times.

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

1-3.

They lost road games to the Jets, Packers, and Patriots ... underdogs in all games and basically had a good chance to win every game.

Of course, Brett Favre having elbow tendonitis, getting caught cheating on his cancer stricken wife with penis texts one day before Moss got there - and Favre losing three fumbles on snaps, throwing INT's to linebackers, and playing through two fractures in ankles helped.

You're right - The Vikings should have killed the Jets in NY, KILLED the Packers in GB, KILLED the Pats in foxboro where they haven't lost a regular season game with Brady since 2006.

I agree with your underlying claim that the Minnesota Vikings are the best team in the NFL with Moss .. and had absolutely no business losing any of those three road games.

After all - with Favre healthy, before any penis texts, they had an offense that ranked 32nd in the NFL in scoring .. and the only win they had was a come from behind home win over the Lions.

The healthy Favre with a happy Cancer stricken wife pre penis texts almost got shut out at home by the Miami Dolphins and turned it over 5 times.

The point is the Pats are better without him. You can make all of the excuses you want. They are.

[Dahoss]

Anyone still think the Pats aren't better without Moss? Are the Titans better with him?

[RockHardTen1985]

I can only imagine why this thread was bumped. What a waste of life.

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

I can only imagine why this thread was bumped. What a waste of life.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nTegy6sBQVA

[philcski]

Originally Posted by Dahoss

Anyone still think the Pats aren't better without Moss? Are the Titans better with him?

Definitely. Brady is spreading the field much better like he did in the pre-Moss days. Think what you want about the Patriots (I hate them for obvious reasons) but it's hard not to be awed by Brady. If I had to pick a best QB ever, I'd take him.

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by philcski

Definitely. Brady is spreading the field much better like he did in the pre-Moss days. Think what you want about the Patriots (I hate them for obvious reasons) but it's hard not to be awed by Brady. If I had to pick a best QB ever, I'd take him.

He's great obviously, but I don't know about best ever.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by philcski

Definitely. Brady is spreading the field much better like he did in the pre-Moss days.

I don't understand why more teams don't try and copy cat what the Cleveland Browns did on defense to the Pats.

They kept guys standing up and walking around pre-snap - sometimes as many as 10 guys up on obvious passing downs. They had the safties up and were begging Brady to beat them with long passes.

Cleveland's game plan was pretty simple - basically dare Brady to beat them deep and confuse him on passing downs by having guys walking around pre snap.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by Dahoss

Anyone still think the Pats aren't better without Moss? Are the Titans better with him?

It's not easy learning a teams entire playbook and verbage in like 3 whole practices.

Not to mention that Kerry Collins and Vince Young have been injured - and the starting qb is a 5th round draft pick out of Florida A&M.

Is Florida A &M even one of the ten best college football programs in the state of Florida?

Moss was a decoy on the Pats this year. They went 3-1 with him - the lone defeat a road loss against the Jets. They scored an NFL best 33 points a game in those four games.

In those four games - Moss was always covered .. and at least one other reciever or tight end was always wide open.

The Pats offensive line has been giving Brady so much time - that these guys are still getting wide open without Moss to help create space.