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[GPK]

Originally Posted by oracle80

He lost, I told everyone to single cacique, received many emails this morning and last night thankiing me for persuading them to single Cacique and that they hit the pik-4 because of it. Game over, try again next time. Oh and go try and cash that win ticket on Grey swallow and see how much you get back. You guys ever know when to just say you were right? and move on?.
Done with this, its obvious who looks smart and who looks dumb.

Its obvious who looks like and arrongant *******, thats for sure. If you check every post about EC in here since the race yesterday, I have done nothing but give Cacique his due and admitted that EC was beaten by a better horse yesterday. At least when I make a pick and it loses I am man enough to admit I was wrong and not blame it on a jockey or some other crap. EC was a beaten horse yesterday. I dont think that he ran his best race by anymeans, he look very rank early on and didn't want to settle. I think he spent some valuable energy in that.

Originally Posted by GPK

Its obvious who looks like and arrongant *******, thats for sure. If you check every post about EC in here since the race yesterday, I have done nothing but give Cacique his due and admitted that EC wasnt beaten by a better horse yesterday. At least when I make a pick and it loses I am man enough to admit I was wrong and not blame it on a jockey or some other crap. EC was a beaten horse yesterday. I dont think that he ran his best race by anymeans, he look very rank early on and didn't want to settle. I think he spent some valuable energy in that.

Blah blah blah, Look Kev, you gave it to a few of us pretty good for 5 weeks after EC beat cacique. Geez, you remember the way you busted out stones? Superior horse and all that? man, thats not like you, If you are gonna give out abuse over soemthing for 5 weeks you have to expect a little back. And spare me the accusations both of you, I know you both well, and you can damn well bet that the two of you , BOTH OF YOU!!!! would have been teh first guys on here mocking everyone. Tim woulda beenthe first guy here with remarks like dog ate his homework again, and Kev, you WOULD HAVE TORTURED US!!!!! And neither one of you can look me or anyone else in the damn eye and tell me I'm wrong. Incredible, the two of you gonna tell me you would have handled a cacique loss or EC win gracefully? Gimme a break, and stop the victim act.

[GPK]

Mike, Im not playing the victim act. EC lost and I admitted he lost to a better horse yesterday. You are acting like I am in denial....I HAVE ADMITTED HE LOST. I dont even hate Cacique, he is a WONDERFUL horse that I do like being that he is a half to one of my favorite turf mares INTERCONTINENTAL.

The fact is that EC and Cacique have faced each other 2 times, with each one winning once. How do you prove who is the better horse?

Originally Posted by GPK

Mike, Im not playing the victim act. EC lost and I admitted he lost to a better horse yesterday. You are acting like I am in denial....I HAVE ADMITTED HE LOST. I dont even hate Cacique, he is a WONDERFUL horse that I do like being that he is a half to one of my favorite turf mares INTERCONTINENTAL.

The fact is that EC and Cacique have faced each other 2 times, with each one winning once. How do you prove who is the better horse?

Valid point Kev. Perhaps the rematch expected will give us some clarity rather than just opinions.
You know I LOVE EC as well. I always have. And I think they are 1-2 in the US as grass horses. But this BS that I am a bully when I bust someones stones when I am right, and when anyone else doesnt they aren't is ridiculous.
I mean look, Tim was making fun of the horse BEFORE they even ran yesterday with the homework thing. And you were all over us (at the other board) for weeks. Thats low, double standard here.
And you may note that I watch races Kev, I just made an excuse on another thread for a horse yesterday that I wanted to lose. I call em like I see em, and Gomez got schooled again yesterday, this time to my advantage. So I really dont wanna hear any of that bullshit either. I call bad rides whether I have the horse or not when I see bad rides.

[GPK]

Originally Posted by oracle80

Valid point Kev. Perhaps the rematch expected will give us some clarity rather than just opinions.
You know I LOVE EC as well. I always have. And I think they are 1-2 in the US as grass horses. But this BS that I am a bully when I bust someones stones when I am right, and when anyone else doesnt they aren't is ridiculous.
I mean look, Tim was making fun of the horse BEFORE they even ran yesterday with the homework thing. And you were all over us (at the other board) for weeks. Thats low, double standard here.
And you may note that I watch races Kev, I just made an excuse on another thread for a horse yesterday that I wanted to lose. I call em like I see em, and Gomez got schooled again yesterday, this time to my advantage. So I really dont wanna hear any of that bullshit either. I call bad rides whether I have the horse or not when I see bad rides.

You have to admit then that EC unwillingness to settle early on for JV cost him energy for the stretch run home...surely you can admit that?

[Gander]

Mike, I would not have been mocking you had Relaxed Gesture or Grey Swallow won this race. I would suspect you had a lot more riding on Cacique winning than I did with the other 2 (GS or RG). In fact I used Cacique in my pick 4's and was live into the Belmont but didnt use Jazil on any tickets. You are wrong when you say I would have mocked you. Yes I have in the past but I knew this was your big single yesterday and I dont hit below the belt. You know better than that. I was prepared to make a big win bet on Relaxed Gesture but didnt really love the 4/1 odds.

[Gander]

I didnt use English Channel on any of my tickets and have no love for this horse. He absolutely killed me on Derby Day, killed me by beating Cacique. I will applaud his effort, perfect trip or not. He got beat what, a head, a nose by 3 very good horses.

[brockguy]

i was surprised cacique was sent off at only 2.2-1 but as the old saying goes, better to have a low price winner than a long price loser. I backed Relaxed Gesture with the ground in his favour, but looking again, he could probably have done with another furlong and a half. There is no denying that cacique is a talented horse but things never seemed to fall his way before now in a top race.

Kev,
look, you aren't able to put aside emotion yet and talk without emotion isn analyzing races.
I mean, cacique's trip in the Woodford was quite bad, and yet you went on record as saying you didnt see anything and the trip was ok.
Now, you want to argue about a little rankness and "energy loss"?
Step back and think about this.
Two great horses and I am looking forward to a rematch.