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[Split Rock]

I find it interesting that someone wouldn't consider Zenyatta an all time great. I don't really have in depth knowledge of her races, Beyers, competition, etc, but going 20 for 20 and winning the Breeders Cup Classic should be enough to validate greatness.

Saying otherwise is simply ridiculous over analyzing.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by Split Rock

I find it interesting that someone wouldn't consider Zenyatta an all time great. I don't really have in depth knowledge of her races, Beyers, competition, etc, but going 20 for 20 and winning the Breeders Cup Classic should be enough to validate greatness.

Saying otherwise is simply ridiculous over analyzing.

Some would say that you are under analyzing.

[letswastemoney]

Originally Posted by Split Rock

I find it interesting that someone wouldn't consider Zenyatta an all time great. I don't really have in depth knowledge of her races, Beyers, competition, etc, but going 20 for 20 and winning the Breeders Cup Classic should be enough to validate greatness.

Saying otherwise is simply ridiculous over analyzing.

great for a female.

Her record doesn't compare to Cigar for example, who had no option but to face males in every start of his 16 win streak.

[Smooth Operator]

Originally Posted by letswastemoney

Her record doesn't compare to Cigar for example, who had no option but to face males in every start of his 16 win streak.

Yeah, he was facing some real killers in those races.

Like I said many times in the past, if the overrated Cigar would've come along a couple years later (with that group in '97), he would've been extremely lucky to put together a TWO race win streak…

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Split Rock

I find it interesting that someone wouldn't consider Zenyatta an all time great. I don't really have in depth knowledge of her races, Beyers, competition, etc, but going 20 for 20 and winning the Breeders Cup Classic should be enough to validate greatness.

Saying otherwise is simply ridiculous over analyzing.

some would disagree. the win streak is overblown. yeah, she's consistent, at beating mediocre horses.
as for the classic win, an historic moment, in a renewal that was lacking top synthetic horses. other than zenyatta that is.

winning a bcc doesn't make a horse great. ask volponi for one. was wild again great? arcangues? tiznow won it twice, i wouldn't even call him an all time great horse.

[Smooth Operator]

Originally Posted by Danzig

as for the classic win, an historic moment, in a renewal that was lacking top synthetic horses. other than zenyatta that is.

Um, for the 67th time, Euros dominated the race in '08 … beautifully and gloriously exposing the overrated Curlin.

Seeing that success, they brought over a couple more pretty good ones (TO, RVW) for the '09 edition … in an attempt to steal our big race again … and Z stepped up and made them all look like donkeys.

[Travis Stone]

Saying Curlin was overrated and exposed in the BCC is weak. He was clearly fading-out of top form, plus it's synthetics, which matters not when talking about fast dirt horses.

[classhandicapper]

I'm a huge Ghostzapper fan and think he was among the greatest horses I've seen in my lifetime, but he had one of the softest life time campaigns imaginable.

His entire reputation was made earning inflated Beyer figures (yes IMO a few were too fast, but it's a long discussion) while beating up total non entities racing a few times a year.

Then he was life and death against St Liam before he had even hit his best ride.

Then he won a great Classic, but while controlling the pace from the rail.

Of course I can make a better case for why he was great, but the point is you can't love Ghostzapper and also trash Zenyatta's campaigns over 3 years.

[randallscott35]

I think Curlin was an impressive horse. No idea why he got brought into this.

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by Smooth Operator

Um, for the 67th time, Euros dominated the race in '08 … beautifully and gloriously exposing the overrated Curlin.

Seeing that success, they brought over a couple more pretty good ones (TO, RVW) for the '09 edition … in an attempt to steal our big race again … and Z stepped up and made them all look like donkeys.

Gio Ponti made them look like donkeys as well.