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Old 10-10-2006, 10:44 PM
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Yeah his trip was bad in the Derby, but not half as bad as Sweetnorthernsaint, or Point Determined. He's good, but I agree with joel, he is a bit overhyped as of right now. I agree he should sit out the Classic and point for the Cal Cup. He could also have a very productive winter at Santa Anita, a track he is obviously very fond of.
Yeah, I agree with this as well. Also, Brother Derek is a smaller built colt that doesn't look like there is much room for improvement. While he is a really nice horse, I think his race on Saturday is going to be as good as he gets. Don't get me wrong, I do like him and think that he is game horse, but he can't go with the big guns.

I think the same thing about Lawyer Ron.
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Old 10-10-2006, 10:48 PM
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Yeah, I agree with this as well. Also, Brother Derek is a smaller built colt that doesn't look like there is much room for improvement. While he is a really nice horse, I think his race on Saturday is going to be as good as he gets. Don't get me wrong, I do like him and think that he is game horse, but he can't go with the big guns.

I think the same thing about Lawyer Ron.
well if thats as good as it gets for him that means if lava man wasn't in the picture this boy would be racking up some grade 1 and 2's out west cause that was all they have out thier in that race except surf cat
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Old 10-10-2006, 10:55 PM
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Yeah, I agree with this as well. Also, Brother Derek is a smaller built colt that doesn't look like there is much room for improvement. While he is a really nice horse, I think his race on Saturday is going to be as good as he gets. Don't get me wrong, I do like him and think that he is game horse, but he can't go with the big guns.

I think the same thing about Lawyer Ron.
Oh for Christ sakes you got to be big to be good.
All for looks again. Off to the dog show Bozworth, quickly.

Smarty was not perfectly symmetric so he was a dud. Good lord.
Hello. Just cause a horse is small does not mean they dont mature in muscular stature. Come in Houston...
Man I bet Sea Biscuit would make you puke... No check that. Blood lines were too good, you gotta like him. Help.
This is about running, not about how big a horse is. Come in.

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Old 10-10-2006, 10:57 PM
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Oh for Christ sakes you got to be big to be good.
All for looks again. Off to the dog show Bozworth, quickly.

Smarty was not perfectly symmetric so he was a dude. Good lord.

yeah look at Megahertz, she sucked
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Old 10-10-2006, 11:27 PM
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Oh for Christ sakes you got to be big to be good.
All for looks again. Off to the dog show Bozworth, quickly.

Smarty was not perfectly symmetric so he was a dud. Good lord.
Hello. Just cause a horse is small does not mean they dont mature in muscular stature. Come in Houston...
Man I bet Sea Biscuit would make you puke... No check that. Blood lines were too good, you gotta like him. Help.
This is about running, not about how big a horse is. Come in.
Sheesh. What's gotten into you?

No, he doesn't have to be big to be good. I am judging his ability on his performances and my ability to pick out horses that are going to stay at the same level and those that are going to improve. I have watched tons of horses mature and develop over the years. You are talking down to the wrong person if you think that I don't know a little bit about muscular development.

It doesn't mean that BD can't win a G1 out west here and there. It just means that he can't go with horses such as Bernardini, Sun King, Lava Man, and Invasor.

And for the record, Seabiscuit wasn't the prettiest horse, but I liked the way that he was built. He was all racehorse.

Also, I never said that Smarty was a dud. Smarty was awesome. I just said that he wasn't as good as Bernardini, and IMO, he isn't.

And I think that you were referring to someone else when you were talking about bloodlines. I'm a performance person, not a bloodline person, although I do like a good performance horse with a nice pedigree.

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Old 10-10-2006, 10:57 PM
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Yeah, I agree with this as well. Also, Brother Derek is a smaller built colt that doesn't look like there is much room for improvement. While he is a really nice horse, I think his race on Saturday is going to be as good as he gets. Don't get me wrong, I do like him and think that he is game horse, but he can't go with the big guns.

I think the same thing about Lawyer Ron.
So, you've changed your tune about Lawyer Ron? I remember you thought differently before the derby...
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Old 10-10-2006, 11:18 PM
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So, you've changed your tune about Lawyer Ron? I remember you thought differently before the derby...
Yeah, I've changed my tune. I'm still a huge fan of the horse, and think that he is a solid Grade II animal, but I know that he can't go with the big boys. I've changed my mind because I'm learning. Remember, I'm fairly new at this game
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Old 10-10-2006, 11:25 PM
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The reality is (and it's a pretty sad reality) that Brother Derek is probably one of the top 10 Classic contenders at this point. But he's very far behind the top 2-3 contenders. After u get past Bernardini, Lava Man, and Invasor (if he runs), can u honestly say that Brother Derek is outclassed by any of the rest of the Classic contenders? He ran as well against Lava Man as Perfect Drift did. Strong Contender, Ball Four, It's No Joke? None of them outclass him. Bright One? Sun King? I don't see them as outclassing him either. I'm not saying he's better than them but I think he fits. If he's able to get fourth, or third if Invasor is not there, it's worth it to go. Usually, I say that if u aren't entering to win a race or using a race as a prep for a bigger one that u shouldn't go. But the purses of the BC make it different. I don't think Brother Derek has a shot in hell to win the race. But outside of Bernardini and Lava Man, I don't think anyone else does either.
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Old 10-11-2006, 09:44 AM
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The reality is (and it's a pretty sad reality) that Brother Derek is probably one of the top 10 Classic contenders at this point. But he's very far behind the top 2-3 contenders. After u get past Bernardini, Lava Man, and Invasor (if he runs), can u honestly say that Brother Derek is outclassed by any of the rest of the Classic contenders? He ran as well against Lava Man as Perfect Drift did. Strong Contender, Ball Four, It's No Joke? None of them outclass him. Bright One? Sun King? I don't see them as outclassing him either. I'm not saying he's better than them but I think he fits. If he's able to get fourth, or third if Invasor is not there, it's worth it to go. Usually, I say that if u aren't entering to win a race or using a race as a prep for a bigger one that u shouldn't go. But the purses of the BC make it different. I don't think Brother Derek has a shot in hell to win the race. But outside of Bernardini and Lava Man, I don't think anyone else does either.
Agree completely, King G. Brother Derek is not outclassed by any horse in the race except the top 3, which may well become the top 2, and the unproven-on-dirt Europeans. For that matter, I actually think the 75-1 future odds on him are attractive.

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Old 10-11-2006, 01:35 PM
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It doesn't surprise me that he started working great,and running great at where???????? Santa Anita. He is a known commodity at this track. Why keep forcing him to run at tracks he obviously doesn't like nearly as much.
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Old 10-11-2006, 02:22 PM
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I think it's far too early to call Brother Derek a lesser animal. He had a horrendous experience in the Triple Crown, he is a very efficient mover and has nice tactical speed. If he could learn to relax and rate a little better he could be a very nice horse. I loved the way he looked on track Saturday, he has matured nicely and muscled out well. I could see him developing a running style like one of my all time favorites, Medaglia d' Oro.
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