10/9 (KEE): Shadwell, Futurity, First Lady, TCA, Woodford

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by pucknut

at last the show down between the to turf female wasted vs proviso

Wasted is way up against it with some of the other speeds. Proviso should win.

[pucknut]

i like proviso as well
but this is the match up of the two best turfers
east meets midwest

[RockHardTen1985]

Gio Ponti will be a gross underlay and worth totally tossing for me, even if its just in some small 50 cent pick 3's. 7-5 ML is silly for a grinder, cutting back for the first time in 18 months, who one could argue has lost a step.

[hockey2315]

I think he's the most likely winner, but Get Stormy can beat him. Not sure what to do w/ the Cat off the long layoff.

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by hockey2315

I think he's the most likely winner, but Get Stormy can beat him. Not sure what to do w/ the Cat off the long layoff.

Im using the 2 of them, equally. Tossing Gio.

[Dahoss]

Maybe Gio Ponti won't win, and I'm not crazy about the race in general. But he was awfully good at a mile last year and I like cutbacks like this. There's enough speed in there for him. I wonder how the race will be bet.

[NTamm1215]

Originally Posted by Dahoss

Maybe Gio Ponti won't win, and I'm not crazy about the race in general. But he was awfully good at a mile last year and I like cutbacks like this. There's enough speed in there for him. I wonder how the race will be bet.

It's also ridiculous to call him a grinder. The Fat Man can say that he won the Kilroe last year because Gomez s.hit the bed on Ventura, and that has some credibility but GP was excellent that day. The races he ran in the Man O War and Arl Million with quick 2-3 furlong bursts are ideal for the cutback. He's not running 11-12 furlongs simply because he's not a grinder. Can he beat Goldikova and other milers? Who knows but he should win tomorrow.

[pucknut]

any shot wasted tears gets loose tomorrow and never looks back
footing has to be firm which is an advantage for her too and she ships well
i like proviso that toga race showed grit but maybe wasted is an EV+ play

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by pucknut

any shot wasted tears gets loose tomorrow and never looks back
footing has to be firm which is an advantage for her too and she ships well
i like proviso that toga race showed grit but maybe wasted is an EV+ play

Very unlikely. 1,4,5,6,9 all have speed. The 1 likes to run off sometimes. Im not even sure WT can make the early lead. The 4 is tactical enough, really does not need the lead. She is the other one Im using with Proviso.