Bernardini IS

[philcski]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

Whose fault is it that Bernardini never gets looked in the eye, when Lava Man is life and death to beat the vaunted Brother Derek, Magnum, Super Frolic triumverate over and over again? Should Bernardini slow down and look horses in the eye like Seabiscuit? It's hilarious. You're criticizing him for being too fast. I'm sure if Bernardini had "looked in the eye" of Wanderin Boy or Bluegrass Cat or Sweetnorthernsaint and "fought to win," you'd all be praising him, right? Bull****. Everyone would be on their "he struggled to win" high horse. All this ****ing west coast horse does is beat up on the same tired nags all year long, and you want to give him more credit because he's a "fighter"? How about he's just slower than Bernardini? You really think Bernardini would've had to be urged to beat Brother Derek by 2 1/4?

Nope, he already beat him by 15 in the Preakness.

Originally Posted by philcski

Nope, he already beat him by 15 in the Preakness.

Hey Phil,

Nice to see you back ... keep on posting.

[King Glorious]

Originally Posted by philcski

Nope, he already beat him by 15 in the Preakness.

Classic. And so true. Even Lava Man's trainer says that based on figures, he knows that Lava Man is going to have to step up and run a career best race to beat Bernardini.

[The Bid]

Hell have to run a career best to hit the board. He can forget about winning

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by philcski

Nope, he already beat him by 15 in the Preakness.

Thank you.

Originally Posted by Cajungator26

I guess so...

He's not Pegasus. He's lost before and I'm sure he'll get beat again at some point in his career. I never said he wasn't a special horse... I'm just not willing to compare him to some of the all time greats just yet. He's never been challenged and I'm interested in seeing how he handles himself once he is (if he ever is .)

So what are we to do if he's never challenged? Obey pgardn's rules of constantly writing off his competition and never call him great? That's basically like saying he's too good to be considered great.

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

Thank you.



So what are we to do if he's never challenged? Obey pgardn's rules of constantly writing off his competition and never call him great? That's basically like saying he's too good to be considered great.

I'm sorry, but I can't call a horse "great" until he's proven he's great. So shoot me... we disagree on Bernardini. Can we agree to disagree? If he wins the BCC, I'll jump on his bandwagon with the rest of you guys, but seriously... this is ludicrous to call him the GOAT.

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by Cajungator26

I'm sorry, but I can't call a horse "great" until he's proven he's great. So shoot me... we disagree on Bernardini. Can we agree to disagree? If he wins the BCC, I'll jump on his bandwagon with the rest of you guys, but seriously... this is ludicrous to call him the GOAT.

I'm not shooting you. I'm asking you a question. What if he's never challenged? Can he never be called great? Because that's how pgardn feels and I think that's ridiculous.

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

I'm not shooting you. I'm asking you a question. What if he's never challenged? Can he never be called great? Because that's how pgardn feels and I think that's ridiculous.

Lets take pgardn's toys away.

Jesustapdancingchrist.

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

I'm not shooting you. I'm asking you a question. What if he's never challenged? Can he never be called great? Because that's how pgardn feels and I think that's ridiculous.

If hes never challenged in the BCC and wins then yes you can still call him great. But don't count on him not being challenged. Invasor ain't Hemingway's key.

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

I'm not shooting you. I'm asking you a question. What if he's never challenged? Can he never be called great? Because that's how pgardn feels and I think that's ridiculous.

If he blows through the BCC field like he's done the past several races, then yeah, he's pretty amazing. He can only race what shows up... not his fault if others are freaked out. He'll be up against a lot more in the BCC than he has been all year and yes, you could call him great if he beat all of them in a similar fashion.

[Gander]

Nor is Invasor Dylan Thomas. Where did they get that goat? They should give him a long rest and point him towards the Fairplex 2007 meet.

Originally Posted by Gander

Nor is Invasor Dylan Thomas. Where did they get that goat? They should give him a long rest and point him towards the Fairplex 2007 meet.

Tim hes a European classic winner and he just didn't like the dirt.
Thats a little bit steep wouldn't you say?

[MLC]

I would still find it hard to call a horse great based on the 1 race. But then I have a problem with the whole Breeders Cup concept.

I would rather see him race as a 4 year old; maybe even take a few defeats, but it would depend on how he raced in those defeats.
Seattle Slew completed his Triple Crown undefeated. But what he did as a 4 year old is what I really remember. He faced the best: won 2 and lost 2.

Originally Posted by Cajungator26

If he blows through the BCC field like he's done the past several races, then yeah, he's pretty amazing. He can only race what shows up... not his fault if others are freaked out. He'll be up against a lot more in the BCC than he has been all year and yes, you could call him great if he beat all of them in a similar fashion.

This thread makes pretty cool reading as far as reflecting back on what we were all thinking 4 weeks ago before the cup.

I forgive them for they are young and know not what they do.
Been thru this so many times before with other horses...

Pope Pgardn III