Republicans block bill to lift military gay ban

[DerbyCat]

Originally Posted by Honu

Jeez do you really think Im that simple? Maybe you do but my job in the private sector has nothing to do with military policy. The policy is and has been established that gays are not allowed in the services and yet WE still signup for whatever reason. That being said doesnt mean its right but at this point we are allowing the politicians to dictate who serves and who doesnt, not us the people. I am in a domestic partnership, but even before that in my relationship I felt no diffirent than when we were just living together than I do now, but that is just me. I have a right to work in the private sector with no discrimination, but this is not how it is in the military, its called the military for a reason because it is not a democracy. You are to follow orders and so forth and until the American people let their elected officials know that they dont give a crap about who serves it will just be forever a political move.

Of course I don't think you're simple but I do think you're missing my point. I don't think this is an issue that can be trusted to a vote of "we the people" - if it was up to the majority, WE wouldn't be allowed to get married (as is the case here in California and many other states), we wouldn't be allowed to adopt children (Florida), or work in certain jobs (it wasn't that long ago that it was put up for a vote whether or not gays could be teachers). Just because there is a policy, that doesn't mean it should be blindly followed - actually, the military is the perfect place for this rule to be eliminated, the brass tells the troops to leave the gays alone and they have to follow the order - it's that easy!

[Honu]

Originally Posted by DerbyCat

Of course I don't think you're simple but I do think you're missing my point. I don't think this is an issue that can be trusted to a vote of "we the people" - if it was up to the majority, WE wouldn't be allowed to get married (as is the case here in California and many other states), we wouldn't be allowed to adopt children (Florida), or work in certain jobs (it wasn't that long ago that it was put up for a vote whether or not gays could be teachers). Just because there is a policy, that doesn't mean it should be blindly followed - actually, the military is the perfect place for this rule to be eliminated, the brass tells the troops to leave the gays alone and they have to follow the order - it's that easy!

Ok I get your point, but "we the people" seem and I may be wrong, to care less about people serving in the military than they do about "US" comprimising the sanctity of their marriage. They want to hold the name of "marriage" as something unto themselves for whatever absurd reasons.
I feel that if the issue of gays in the military were put to a vote before the whole population of this country that no one would wish to bar them. My "brother in law" who is in the Air Force says that he doesnt know of any one in his unit or anyone that he hangs with who gives a crap about gays being in the military. So maybe Im giving the American people to much credit but I just dont think a large number of Americans care who you sleep with, all the while be willing to die for them.
Politicians use this platform as leverage and will continue to do so as long as we let them.