Bernardini IS

Originally Posted by Travis Stone

It's laughable. If a horse dominates a division, the division is weak. If no horse dominates a division, the division is weak. What will make people happy? Horseplayers are never happy.

Black and white statements like yours are ridiculous. Stick to race calling.

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by Pillow Pants

Black and white statements like yours are ridiculous. Stick to race calling.

What was wrong with his statement? I thought it was pretty accurate...

Originally Posted by Cajungator26

What was wrong with his statement? I thought it was pretty accurate...

He made a black or white statement. There is a grey area and that's where Bernardini lives for right now.

If Invasor doesn't run in the BCC it will arguably be one of the weakest classic fields yet. Outside of Lava Man and Bernardini, there are nothing but a bunch of bridesmaids.

Horse racing is just like any other sport. Teams and individuals are always compared to past champions and there are certain accomplishments that have to be met before the masses concede their greatness.

And really all of the doubters are speaking up because the Bernardini goo gooism is getting ridiculous. He's a really good horse but there are many questions going into the big race that have yet to be answered.

read on drf that invasor WILL be supplemented, and will run in the bcc. that unless bern misses the bc, discreet cat will not run that day. that sucks....either/or.

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by Pillow Pants

He made a black or white statement. There is a grey area and that's where Bernardini lives for right now.

If Invasor doesn't run in the BCC it will arguably be one of the weakest classic fields yet. Outside of Lava Man and Bernardini, there are nothing but a bunch of bridesmaids.

Horse racing is just like any other sport. Teams and individuals are always compared to past champions and there are certain accomplishments that have to be met before the masses concede their greatness.

And really all of the doubters are speaking up because the Bernardini goo gooism is getting ridiculous. He's a really good horse but there are many questions going into the big race that have yet to be answered.

I agree with all of that, but you have to admit that some people just aren't happy any way you look at it. Personally, I think we have been blessed with a few of the most talented 3 year olds I've seen. Whether or not they've been facing subpar fields... I just don't know. I am of the same opinion of Bernardini as you... I want to see more. The reality is though... IF he beats everyone in the BCC, will he be called a fraud because the quality of the field isn't considered "great?" I think that's what Travis Stone was saying... Bern can't win for winning.

Hey Paisjpg,

DO NOT mess with my posts. You are so far over your head it's embarassing.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by Dixie Porter

Hey Pasijig,

DO NOT play with my posts. You are so far over your head it's embarassing.

The internet tough guy has spoken.

Originally Posted by Dixie Porter

Hey Paisjpg,

DO NOT mess with my posts. You are so far over your head it's embarassing.

Haha. Ohhhhh scary.

[paisjpq]

Originally Posted by Dixie Porter

Hey Pasijig,

DO NOT play with my posts. You are so far over your head it's embarassing.

dixie...I will edit any post--yours or otherwise that I feel crosses a line of proper personal etiquette. If you do not like that then I would be happy to show you the door. You can rest assured that I make these edits with steve's blessing so whining to him will not work.
If you wanted to disagree with travis stone's comment that is one thing...calling his words those of an imbecile are quite another and go against the atmosphere that steve is trying to foster here.

Originally Posted by paisjpq

dixie...I will edit any post--yours or otherwise that I feel crosses a line of proper personal etiquette. If you do not like that then I would be happy to show you the door. You can rest assured that I make these edits with steve's blessing so whining to him will not work.
If you wanted to disagree with travis stone's comment that is one thing...calling his words those of an imbecile are quite another and go against the atmosphere that steve is trying to foster here.

I do not know who you are and I could care less. You want Steve's bleesings that's fine with me.

I've grown to LIKE the guy and unless I'm a bad judge of people he can stand up for himself.

Whomever Travis Stone is the comments I pointed out were LAME.

As far as you go, GET LOST................

Originally Posted by Cajungator26

I agree with all of that, but you have to admit that some people just aren't happy any way you look at it. Personally, I think we have been blessed with a few of the most talented 3 year olds I've seen. Whether or not they've been facing subpar fields... I just don't know. I am of the same opinion of Bernardini as you... I want to see more. The reality is though... IF he beats everyone in the BCC, will he be called a fraud because the quality of the field isn't considered "great?" I think that's what Travis Stone was saying... Bern can't win for winning.

One of the reasons why horse racing fans aren't happy is due to the small fields and the constant ducking and dodging the connections due to avoid real competition. The JCGC was a shining example of what's wrong with the sport. A 3yr old, not an accomplished older horse, scares away everyone but Aidan O'Brien and Nick Zito. One of the most prestigious races in North America is reduced to essentially a match race between a speed and fader and the greatest thing since sliced bread.

Now tell me, why should the racing fan be happy with a race like that?

P.S. And Bernardini's connections aren't innocent of this either. I don't care what anyone says. He wasn't ready for the Derby but magically two weeks later he's ready? Yeah right.

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by Pillow Pants

One of the reasons why horse racing fans aren't happy is due to the small fields and the constant ducking and dodging the connections due to avoid real competition. The JCGC was a shining example of what's wrong with the sport. A 3yr old, not an accomplished older horse, scares away everyone but Aidan O'Brien and Nick Zito. One of the most prestigious races in North America is reduced to essentially a match race between a speed and fader and the greatest thing since sliced bread.

Now tell me, why should the racing fan be happy with a race like that?

A racing fan SHOULDN'T be happy with a race like that, but the question is... IF he wins the BCC against another ho-hum field, will he be called a fraud?

Originally Posted by Cajungator26

A racing fan SHOULDN'T be happy with a race like that, but the question is... IF he wins the BCC against another ho-hum field, will he be called a fraud?

Nobody is calling him a fraud. He's a really good horse and he'll have to be considered great if he wins the race. Will it justify comparing him to the all-time greats? More than likely not, but it will happen unfortunately.

[Pointg5]

Originally Posted by Cajungator26

A racing fan SHOULDN'T be happy with a race like that, but the question is... IF he wins the BCC against another ho-hum field, will he be called a fraud?

Yes, I will think he's a great horse, I just want a bigger field. I do not dislike the horse, but I don't like all of the lavish praise he gets. I would happily proclaim him one of the greats if he wins, even if he guts it out and just gets up, I would be more happy with a finish like that, it would show he has some heart...

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Pillow Pants

P.S. And Bernardini's connections aren't innocent of this either. I don't care what anyone says. He wasn't ready for the Derby but magically two weeks later he's ready? Yeah right.

He broke his maiden the first week of March. Where do you suppose he would have got any graded stakes earnings between then and the derby?

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

He broke his maiden the first week of March. Where do you suppose he would have got any graded stakes earnings between then and the derby?

Oh I forgot they cancelled all of the derby preps between march 21-april 14th.

My bad.

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

He broke his maiden the first week of March. Where do you suppose he would have got any graded stakes earnings between then and the derby?

Never EVER will you hear me bashing anyone for skipping the tri crown or a race within that series.
You can see what the tri crown has done to our best three year olds in the past decade. Its no coiincidence that the most accomplished three year olds who went on to do great things in the summer/fall or at age 4, all skipped part or all of the Tri Crown. Messrs Bell, Ferguson and Albertrani(as well as Sheikh Mo) deserve kudos for not rushing him to the Crown. They have been rewarded with a sound animal for that decision. I wish more would follow their lead in the future.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Cajungator26

I agree with all of that, but you have to admit that some people just aren't happy any way you look at it. Personally, I think we have been blessed with a few of the most talented 3 year olds I've seen.

Problem is that you are young enough not to have seen the times when horses were truly campaigned not just "managed". Not an insult but the fact is that you were born too late to see what true great horses could accomplish.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Problem is that you are young enough not to have seen the times when horses were truly campaigned not just "managed". Not an insult but the fact is that you were born too late to see what true great horses could accomplish.

That's the way I feel. I don't want to do that " you're too young to remember " crap but the way people seem to eagerly declare horses as " great " these days when they pale in comparison to horses from earlier eras is a bit frustrating. Sorry, Bernardini is not a great horse at this point in his career and as far as I'm concerned he needs to both run faster and accomplish more in order to move into that imaginary group. It's possible he will, and that would genuinely be exciting, but sadly we've gotten to a point when pretty much no horse is even allowed to establish greatness.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

That's the way I feel. I don't want to do that " you're too young to remember " crap but the way people seem to eagerly declare horses as " great " these days when they pale in comparison to horses from earlier eras is a bit frustrating. Sorry, Bernardini is not a great horse at this point in his career and as far as I'm concerned he needs to both run faster and accomplish more in order to move into that imaginary group. It's possible he will, and that would genuinely be exciting, but sadly we've gotten to a point when pretty much no horse is even allowed to establish greatness.

It does make you feel a bit old though