Oracle thanks for mushing Circular Quay

Originally Posted by Round Pen

Heck Oracle I dont care all though a Piece of Cheescake would be nice right now

Pen, LOL!!, I'm on Atkins right now and I suppose thats why that wager came to mind. Though I'd rather have the pizza, ah well.
My point to Bell was that in my limited watching of the surface its become apparent to me that horses with high early speed or a huge burst of it that they rely on to win have been completely up against it. I hadn't broken down the numbers like McGee did, but in watching races, which is what I do, it had become apparent to me that horses with an even running style who rip off 12's are the ones who like it. Its kinda like a lope, lope, lope, surface.
Since most good dirt horses(if not almost all of em) rely on early speed or a huge burst of speed within the race to win, its my contention that good dirt horses are cripppled on this surface.
Now I haven't bet so much as a thin dime on one of these poly races at Kee, not one, so its not like I'm bitter about blowing any bets. But I do like to see talent recognized and I find this surface to be completely disassociated from dirt. Its a seperate and unique surface, just like grass, and horses either like grass or they don't. I've never seen one tried again and again on grass who just learn to like it. They either do or they don't.
If Circular Quay runs the same way in the BC Juvy I will be the first one to say hes a closing sprinter. If Asi Siempre runs well an even hits the board in the Distaff i will say I was wrong about her winning because of the surface. But I won't be holding my breath, and doubt that any of the winners of the weekend's BC preps on the poly at Keeneland make any kind of impact whatsoever on BC day.

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by oracle80

If Circular Quay runs the same way in the BC Juvy I will be the first one to say hes a closing sprinter. If Asi Siempre runs well an even hits the board in the Distaff i will say I was wrong about her winning because of the surface. But I won't be holding my breath, and doubt that any of the winners of the weekend's BC preps on the poly at Keeneland make any kind of impact whatsoever on BC day.

How about Circular Quay just isn't that good? He blew by a bunch of tired horses that ran four furlongs under 45 and were crawling home. Great Hunter would have won that race just as easily if not more easily. If you want to give me Great Hunter and Street Sense (my picks BEFORE the Lane's End) against Circular Quay in the BC Juvenile then I will happily take that bet.

Originally Posted by SniperSB23

How about Circular Quay just isn't that good? He blew by a bunch of tired horses that ran four furlongs under 45 and were crawling home. Great Hunter would have won that race just as easily if not more easily. If you want to give me Great Hunter and Street Sense (my picks BEFORE the Lane's End) against Circular Quay in the BC Juvenile then I will happily take that bet.

Using that race as a basis of his dirt ability would be the same as using a grass race as the basis. They are both foreign surfaces unlike dirt in any way. CQ will rebound in the BC, and beat both of those.

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by oracle80

Using that race as a basis of his dirt ability would be the same as using a grass race as the basis. They are both foreign surfaces unlike dirt in any way. CQ will rebound in the BC, and beat both of those.

I was talking about the Hopeful. He was overrated from passing tired horses in that race. So if that surface will have no impact on the BC Juvenile then why won't you give me Great Hunter and Street Sense against him?