Jeter A Jerk?

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by Danzig

it doesn't happen all the time. and no, i don't watch basketball. if hockey, which most say is 'anything goes' has a rule against faking crap like that, why wouldn't baseball or football? you play to win the game, not play-act. i thought it was ridiculous, that behavior like that should be considered beneath a pro. but, i guess i'm all wrong about anything regarding these 'professionals' and 'men' and their poor behavior.

Yes, this kind of thing does happen all of the time. How often does a 2nd baseman or shortstop actually touch 2nd base when turning a double play? Half of the time maybe. Is that cheating?

When a guy traps a ball trying to make a diving catch and comes up like he caught it....is he cheating?

When a catcher frames a ball to make it look like a strike...is he cheating? If we start suspending people for this stuff no one will be playing because they will all be suspended.

I think people are making a way bigger deal out of this because it's the Yankees and Jeter. And like I said, I say this as someone that doesn't really care for either.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Dahoss

Yes, this kind of thing does happen all of the time. How often does a 2nd baseman or shortstop actually touch 2nd base when turning a double play? Half of the time maybe. Is that cheating?

When a guy traps a ball trying to make a diving catch and comes up like he caught it....is he cheating?

When a catcher frames a ball to make it look like a strike...is he cheating? If we start suspending people for this stuff no one will be playing because they will all be suspended.

I think people are making a way bigger deal out of this because it's the Yankees and Jeter. And like I said, I say this as someone that doesn't really care for either.

i don't know how often it happens, i don't watch much baseball.

as for the play-it is blatantly obvious that jeter was faking. that would draw a 'dive' call in hockey. they don't call that unless they know for sure the guy is faking.
i'm not a fan of any team-and frankly i'm surprised that it's jeter involved. i thought he was considered one of the 'good guys'. in my case, it's got nothing to do with the team he's on, i'm not a fan of any of them.

thing is, altho many are saying 'hit the guy next time out', i find that distasteful. i don't believe that pitchers should be trying to hit these guys-how is that acceptable? again, back to hockey-they don't let these guys just hook each other and go at it. they sit for that, get fined, suspended..or in chris simons case, you go overseas to play as no one in north america will touch you. or mcsorly, charged with assault...

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by Danzig

i don't know how often it happens, i don't watch much baseball.

as for the play-it is blatantly obvious that jeter was faking. that would draw a 'dive' call in hockey. they don't call that unless they know for sure the guy is faking.
i'm not a fan of any team-and frankly i'm surprised that it's jeter involved. i thought he was considered one of the 'good guys'. in my case, it's got nothing to do with the team he's on, i'm not a fan of any of them.

thing is, altho many are saying 'hit the guy next time out', i find that distasteful. i don't believe that pitchers should be trying to hit these guys-how is that acceptable? again, back to hockey-they don't let these guys just hook each other and go at it. they sit for that, get fined, suspended..or in chris simons case, you go overseas to play as no one in north america will touch you. or mcsorly, charged with assault...

Zig, Jeter should be sent a message by the league. You attacked the integrity of the sport. Get some better morals. Find some sportsmanship. Win the right way. Don't go that far out of your way to deceive our umpires. He crossed the line here. It should surprise nobody that this is the organization caught doing this crap. He thinks it's funny. I'm sure the Wallstreet guys think it's funny that they ripped the nation off, too.

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

Zig, Jeter should be sent a message by the league. You attacked the integrity of the sport. Get some better morals. Find some sportsmanship. Win the right way. Don't go that far out of your way to deceive our umpires. He crossed the line here. It should surprise nobody that this is the organization caught doing this crap.

Answer a question for me. If Jeter had really gotten hit and the ump thought it hit the bat first, does the catcher have an obligation to correct the ump if he knew the truth? Would the catcher need a message sent to him by the league?

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by Dahoss

Answer a question for me. If Jeter had really gotten hit and the ump thought it hit the bat first, does the catcher have an obligation to correct the ump if he knew the truth? Would the catcher need a message sent to him by the league?

No. What you're not picking up on is the level of deception involved here. It's one thing to keep your mouth shut. It's another thing to act really badly hurt (when you're not even hit by a ball.) All these examples mentioned are mainly people playing the game, and accepting the results of the umps. That's not what took place here. Jeter went to Broadway in front of a National Audience. Hour and a half later, he admitted that the ball never even hit him. Admitted he had put on a deceitful display in order to try to win the wrong way.

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

What you're not picking up on is the level of deception involved here. It's one thing to keep your mouth shut. It's another thing to act really badly hurt (when you're not even hit by a ball.)

Hard to answer a simple question huh? Everything I have mentioned is deception. When you dive for a ball and trap it, yet come up and pretend you caught it, it's deception. A catcher framing a ball to make it look like a strike is deception.

[MaTH716]

The whole what to do, is about the way Jeter acted like he was hit. You are talking about a guy that is treated like he some sort of holy figure. The guy can't do anything wrong. Hell, I have never even seen him argue with an ump.
But there is nothing wrong with taking the base if the ump gives it to you (really what are you supposed to do?). It's more about the production that Mr. Clean put on like he was drilled with a Nolan Ryan fastball in the nuts. Basically Mr. Rightous who can do nothing wrong pulled a fast one and shocked everyone who thought he was above stuff like that. But then again if you were in the slump that he's been in, you might be throwing yourself at fastballs thrown down the middle of the plate.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by Dahoss

Hard to answer a simple question huh? Everything I have mentioned is deception. When you dive for a ball and trap it, yet come up and pretend you caught it, it's deception. A catcher framing a ball to make it look like a strike is deception.

No. It's not the same level of deception as having the trainer come out to deal with your damaged hand.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by Danzig

thing is, altho many are saying 'hit the guy next time out', i find that distasteful. i don't believe that pitchers should be trying to hit these guys-how is that acceptable? again, back to hockey-they don't let these guys just hook each other and go at it. they sit for that, get fined, suspended..or in chris simons case, you go overseas to play as no one in north america will touch you. or mcsorly, charged with assault...

Ziggy come on!! grow a pair! This is baseball, not mens figure skating!

[randallscott35]

http://www.boston.com/sports/basebal...ht_in_the_act/

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

Ziggy come on!! grow a pair! This is baseball, not mens figure skating!

i'd watch skating if they let them have a check thrown once in a while.

i don't watch baseball, it's boring. and i absolutely refuse to grow a pair.