Oracle thanks for mushing Circular Quay

[Round Pen]

Good for you I am glad you Know Genetics. That and 75 Cents will get you a cup of coffee. You know what I know Horses and If you would have read the beginning of my post you would have seen that. I was simply stating a couple of facts on CQ's dams side.

Take your Genetics to the betting windows and lets see how well you do.

Originally Posted by Round Pen

Good for you I am glad you Know Genetics. That and 75 Cents will get you a cup of coffee. You know what I know Horses and If you would have read the beginning of my post you would have seen that. I was simply stating a couple of facts on CQ's dams side.

Take your Genetics to the betting windows and lets see how well you do.

No answer. Uses pedigrees, does not even know genetics. And thats exactly why I dont take my genetics to the betting window, its way too difficult to transfer into performance. But you are able to do this...? And make money off it. No way.

[Round Pen]

Were in the world are you getting this I have never said that. Sure I use Pedigrees on Occassion But were in the World Did I say I make Money doing it this way. Your trying to put words into my mouth.

[sumitas]

Just like Jazil and Bob And John have the same cross but different families. Jazil's family is more stamina oriented and it shows.

[Round Pen]

Here are the first couple of lines from my Orginal Statement.


OK Guys CQ will be somewhere in the line of 4/5 or less. LEt me tell you a couple of reasons why I think CQ is a bet Against.

A. I have seen to many young horses over the years that have a tremendous turn of foot Sprinting only to not show that same turn of foot around 2 turns and CQ kind of reminds me of that type of horse.


B. I am not as sold as some of you guys who think CQ has a pedigree that will stretch out. And heres why 1st off CQ is out of Circle of LIfe who made 10 Lifetime Starts with a record of 10---3-1-2 of those 10 starts 4 were made running a route of ground her record in those races were 4----0-0-2 and Sprinting COL had a record of 5----3-1-0.


Read A really well that is what I thought of his races
B is just what I read Into His pedigree that he would not go long

Originally Posted by Round Pen

Here are the first couple of lines from my Orginal Statement.


OK Guys CQ will be somewhere in the line of 4/5 or less. LEt me tell you a couple of reasons why I think CQ is a bet Against.

A. I have seen to many young horses over the years that have a tremendous turn of foot Sprinting only to not show that same turn of foot around 2 turns and CQ kind of reminds me of that type of horse.


B. I am not as sold as some of you guys who think CQ has a pedigree that will stretch out. And heres why 1st off CQ is out of Circle of LIfe who made 10 Lifetime Starts with a record of 10---3-1-2 of those 10 starts 4 were made running a route of ground her record in those races were 4----0-0-2 and Sprinting COL had a record of 5----3-1-0.


Read A really well that is what I thought of his races
B is just what I read Into His pedigree that he would not go long

Sorry then. I got the wrong Pedigree person. May have to go back and read Pedigree ann. I thought when you wrote your cup of coffee statement you did take your pedigree stuff to the window and win. My bad. As they say.

But I will say this. If I were really into looking into endurance in a horse I would look much more closely at the Dams side that the other way. And I have some reasons for this. Do you have reasons why when you say you disagree that a pedigree does not indicate to you a horse will "stretch out"?

[Round Pen]

Originally Posted by pgardn

. And I have some reasons for this. Do you have reasons why when you say you disagree that a pedigree does not indicate to you a horse will "stretch out"?

Sure Pgardn
I deal with alot of horses every year I will have close to 100 yearlings breaking and training by the mid Nov. I have dealt with these kind of Numbers for years. I watch these horses everyday from the time we start breaking them until I send them to the races or through a sale. It is just something that is really hard to explain after watching a horse train, breeze sometimes you can just tell that this horse will be a sprinter or this horse wants to run on obviously I am not always right. I quess you could say it is just a feeling I get.

Heck it is kind of neat I have already recieved phone calls from owners wondering what I think about there yearlings just the other day I said give me a few more weeks the rider has only been on his back for a few days now.

Originally Posted by Round Pen

Sure Pgardn
I deal with alot of horses every year I will have close to 100 yearlings breaking and training by the mid Nov. I have dealt with these kind of Numbers for years. I watch these horses everyday from the time we start breaking them until I send them to the races or through a sale. It is just something that is really hard to explain after watching a horse train, breeze sometimes you can just tell that this horse will be a sprinter or this horse wants to run on obviously I am not always right. I quess you could say it is just a feeling I get.

Heck it is kind of neat I have already recieved phone calls from owners wondering what I think about there yearlings just the other day I said give me a few more weeks the rider has only been on his back for a few days now.

Nothing like a good eye and experience. very useful. Wish I had the chance to see young ones run more often.

I must admit Oracle, being from New York I like your bravado, but your handicapping is primitive at best, and non-existent on its face. Yet it is your slamming of other posters with your prattle filled posts that is particularly annoying.

Just this thread you stated that: Great Hunter is one-paced, yet as a 2yo he has passed thirty horses in his six races! Hello!

Also you posted "horses with a burst of accelleration are screwed". Brilliant again.

As far as Marty McGee; years ago when I kept books, typed up owners' bills and many other duties for many Keeneland trainers such as "Rusty" Arnold, Neil Howard, Steve Penrod and others, Marty McGee would come around and I tried to teach him a bit of handicapping. Alas, he is a nice guy, but never learned much. If it wasn't for his connections, he would be in deep water.

I wish you no ill will, but be aware, your cappin needs a ton of work. BBB

[sumitas]

Well, CQ had a wider trip than the winner so it was closer than the final margin. I thought he looked ok.

[SentToStud]

Originally Posted by bellsbendboy

I must admit Oracle, being from New York I like your bravado, but your handicapping is primitive at best, and non-existent on its face. Yet it is your slamming of other posters with your prattle filled posts that is particularly annoying.

Just this thread you stated that: Great Hunter is one-paced, yet as a 2yo he has passed thirty horses in his six races! Hello!

Also you posted "horses with a burst of accelleration are screwed". Brilliant again.

As far as Marty McGee; years ago when I kept books, typed up owners' bills and many other duties for many Keeneland trainers such as "Rusty" Arnold, Neil Howard, Steve Penrod and others, Marty McGee would come around and I tried to teach him a bit of handicapping. Alas, he is a nice guy, but never learned much. If it wasn't for his connections, he would be in deep water.

I wish you no ill will, but be aware, your cappin needs a ton of work. BBB

Well, I must praise the Lord that you have appeared to pass along His judgement on all which is either brilliant, primitive or annoying, PRAISE be.

I'm sure Marty McGee has much to be thankful to you for as well.

How in the world can you determine and judge that someon's handicapping is worthy of you not slinging sh1t about it?

Guys like you who show up on message boards and toss around "insider" remarks and claim superiority crack me up.

Let me put it this way... if your ability was so superior, none of us would know who Hank Goldberg is. Think about that.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by SentToStud

Let me put it this way... if your ability was so superior, none of us would know who Hank Goldberg is. Think about that.

Are you implying Hank wasn't hired for his camera presence?

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Are you implying Hank wasn't hired for his camera presence?

Actually I wish that I didn't know who Hank Goldberg is !!!

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Are you implying Hank wasn't hired for his camera presence?

Actually he may have. While he is stuffing his face with hot dogs, he becomes fodder for Kenny Maine. Which can be very amusing. The Hammer hit a pik 4 though.

Originally Posted by bellsbendboy

I must admit Oracle, being from New York I like your bravado, but your handicapping is primitive at best, and non-existent on its face. Yet it is your slamming of other posters with your prattle filled posts that is particularly annoying.

Just this thread you stated that: Great Hunter is one-paced, yet as a 2yo he has passed thirty horses in his six races! Hello!

Also you posted "horses with a burst of accelleration are screwed". Brilliant again.

As far as Marty McGee; years ago when I kept books, typed up owners' bills and many other duties for many Keeneland trainers such as "Rusty" Arnold, Neil Howard, Steve Penrod and others, Marty McGee would come around and I tried to teach him a bit of handicapping. Alas, he is a nice guy, but never learned much. If it wasn't for his connections, he would be in deep water.

I wish you no ill will, but be aware, your cappin needs a ton of work. BBB

Hey Bellboy, when you handicap well enough to purchase a grade one winner off the track for a client like I have, then you can hope to get in my league. How many of those you buy off the track?