Don't burn the Quran, but beheadings are OK...

[joeydb]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

Also happens to be a relgion that the radicals get riled up to kill others when they see Korans burning on tv.

So what? Are we supposed to be all scared now? Keep the military on alert and whoever tries something against our guys won't be around too long.

Bottom line: since the moderates are not speaking out and only the radicals have the microphone, "kill the infidels" and all that bull... they are not going to get much tolerance as they themselves give none.

How's this: would the protests get bigger if instead of burning one Quran they burn 10, 100, 1000, or 10,000? When you start out at maximum shrillness and riot-like behavior, it's tough to go up from there.

How does this book burning -- which I am not supporting -- compare to the beheadings of Daniel Pearl, Nick Berg, and several others? Where's our protests and reaction?

They burn our flag all the time over there -- and the Star of David too. They burn our leaders in effigy. They rioted over cartoons published in Denmark. Maybe this pastor in Florida sees it as a little payback.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by joeydb

So what? Are we supposed to be all scared now? Keep the military on alert and whoever tries something against our guys won't be around too long.

Bottom line: since the moderates are not speaking out and only the radicals have the microphone, "kill the infidels" and all that bull... they are not going to get much tolerance as they themselves give none.

How's this: would the protests get bigger if instead of burning one Quran they burn 10, 100, 1000, or 10,000? When you start out at maximum shrillness and riot-like behavior, it's tough to go up from there.

How does this book burning -- which I am not supporting -- compare to the beheadings of Daniel Pearl, Nick Berg, and several others? Where's our protests and reaction?

They burn our flag all the time over there -- and the Star of David too. They burn our leaders in effigy. They rioted over cartoons published in Denmark. Maybe this pastor in Florida sees it as a little payback.

The pastor in Florida doesnt care about Jesus, his payback, the Muslims.. he cares about having his 15 minutes of fame and say "look what I can do". Most all churches like his are the same.. absolutely ridiculous to the point where you have to question the sanity of the members. Which is why its been around for 24 years and only has 50 members.

My post to BWS wasnt comparing burning books to beheadings. Not at all. It was about the similarities between Koran burning and Mosque building.

You dont think there was any reaction about beheadings? Dont act like I'm some Muslim apologist because I dont think this pastor should be holding his event. I have zero respect for the Islam religion. I'm quite sure my posts on the subject will confirm that.

The pastor is only doing this for himself, and he is just pouring fuel on a fire that is already very hot to begin with. He's an un-american idiot.

If he cared at all about his supposed message, and this burning meant anything to him.. he wouldnt be making it into a media event.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by joeydb

So what? Are we supposed to be all scared now? Keep the military on alert and whoever tries something against our guys won't be around too long.

Bottom line: since the moderates are not speaking out and only the radicals have the microphone, "kill the infidels" and all that bull... they are not going to get much tolerance as they themselves give none.

How's this: would the protests get bigger if instead of burning one Quran they burn 10, 100, 1000, or 10,000? When you start out at maximum shrillness and riot-like behavior, it's tough to go up from there.

How does this book burning -- which I am not supporting -- compare to the beheadings of Daniel Pearl, Nick Berg, and several others? Where's our protests and reaction?

They burn our flag all the time over there -- and the Star of David too. They burn our leaders in effigy. They rioted over cartoons published in Denmark. Maybe this pastor in Florida sees it as a little payback.

that is simply untrue. when the moderate muslim in new york was speaking, or trying to, everyone was only talking about folks like the guy you linked to above. thing is, the agenda is that all muslims are evil, so only articles that exhibit that are generally being posted.
as for this line from the article:

'the tolerance and commitment to dialog by Muslims is being displayed overseas by Australian Muslim preacher Feiz Mohammad'.

this guy speaks for all muslims? he's hired by them? i doubt it. he's no more their spokesman than jesse jackson is for all african-americans, or sarah palin
for all republicans.

people with an agenda will find things to support their view, while ignoring everything else that goes against their opinion-it even has a scientific name.

[clyde]

Danny...is there a way we could get you to go back to Memphis?




Don't you have those blues yet?

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by clyde

Danny...is there a way we could get you to go back to Memphis?




Don't you have those blues yet?

sure, send me the money we'd miss by skipping work, and we'd be glad to go back.

[clyde]

Originally Posted by Danzig

sure, send me the money we'd miss by skipping work, and we'd be glad to go back.

But you live in Pleasantville...you have plenty of money and don't need to work.


What?...no vacay photos?

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by clyde

But you live in Pleasantville...you have plenty of money and don't need to work.


What?...no vacay photos?

if i didn't work, i wouldn't have plenty of money.

and i can't show my photos on here...

[clyde]

Originally Posted by Danzig

if i didn't work, i wouldn't have plenty of money.

and i can't show my photos on here...

tssssssssssssssssssssss!!





PM them to me...OK?

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by Danzig

people with an agenda will find things to support their view, while ignoring everything else that goes against their opinion-it even has a scientific name.

Well, you do this every couple days or so on here. Lets get something straight here. The guy who started this "religion" did it with massive force. He terrorized people into joining. He was a butcher. Now, if you want to believe something said by the followers of a butcher, then, that's you. I'm not gunna believe anything the followers of a butcher have to say. Moral people aren't interested in following the teachings of a butcher. Period. Excuse us for not believing the followers of a damn butcher...Good grief.

[hoovesupsideyourhead]

if this guy wants to burn a book he can..thats his right...all the outside pressure from all the other religons is pretty grand stand to me..it wont make them hate americans any more than they already do.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

Well, you do this every couple days or so on here. Lets get something straight here. The guy who started this "religion" did it with massive force. He terrorized people into joining. He was a butcher. Now, if you want to believe something said by the followers of a butcher, then, that's you. I'm not gunna believe anything the followers of a butcher have to say. Moral people aren't interested in following the teachings of a butcher. Period. Excuse us for not believing the followers of a damn butcher...Good grief.

lol
i have read your take on muslims a million times scuds. but not all muslims subscribe to all that mohammed said, or bin laden and his fellow wahabi followers. that probably explains why there are variations of the religion...just like all catholics don't avoid birth control, all baptists don't avoid alcohol and dancing, etc, etc, not all muslims believe in all the things that the wahabbis do. or the sufi..or the shiite, the sunni...
i see the rantings and ravings, the 'they're all bad' articles...unlike you, i actually consider more than one point of view. personally, i don't know why anyone follows any certain religion, but that's just me.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by Danzig

lol
i have read your take on muslims a million times scuds. but not all muslims subscribe to all that mohammed said, or bin laden and his fellow wahabi followers. that probably explains why there are variations of the religion...just like all catholics don't avoid birth control, all baptists don't avoid alcohol and dancing, etc, etc, not all muslims believe in all the things that the wahabbis do. or the sufi..or the shiite, the sunni...
i see the rantings and ravings, the 'they're all bad' articles...unlike you, i actually consider more than one point of view. personally, i don't know why anyone follows any certain religion, but that's just me.

He was a butcher. How ya getting by that? He had sex with a girl still playing with her dolls. At some point, you've got to be a little suspect of people that follow someone like this. Their version of God involves someone of this sort? At some point, it comes down to morals, and they're following the teachings of an immoral person. So, I really don't know how you can trust anything you hear or read from people that follow someone like this. Not all Muslims subscribe to what he said? You ever hear them say he's was wrong?

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

He was a butcher. How ya getting by that? He had sex with a girl still playing with her dolls. At some point, you've got to be a little suspect of people that follow someone like this. Their version of God involves someone of this sort? At some point, it comes down to morals, and they're following the teachings of an immoral person. So, I really don't know how you can trust anything you hear or read from people that follow someone like this. Not all Muslims subscribe to what he said? You ever hear them say he's was wrong?

scuds, several threads contain quotes from a variety of muslims who spoke out against 9-11, against violence, who preach and believe in being a modern religions, without the violence. yet, you and others who want only to hate an entire group based on the actions of a few have completely refused to even acknowledge that.

you say how can i get by that? how do mormons get by some of what their book contains? gems, the garden of eden in missouri..the bible, with talking snakes, guys living in fish for days, and people walking on water while the spirit gets a virgin knocked up....people don't focus on the unbelievable, or the violence-you stone anyone for growing more than one crop in a field lately? yet you're only focusing on the violence in the quran, koran, however it's spelled. i think it's an oversimplification.
i was just as horrified as anyone when 9-11 occurred. it would be easy to say kill them all, or to demand revenge. that takes a lot less thought and rationalization, doesn't it? it almost makes one sound very much like that which one has come to hate. we need rational thought, not emotion, not knee-jerk reactions. you refuse to believe that every muslim doesn't engage in violence, doesn't believe in strapping on a bomb, stonings, mutilations, acid attacks, etc. you see the guy throwing the acid, without considering the thought process of the man who allows his daughters to go to school, or to work, or to drive, or to marry the man they chose. it's a man who has come to understand that backward thinking won't work. multiply that man times a hundred, a thousand. those are the people, who happen to be muslim, that we should be supporting. you're lumping them all together, which is unfair to the many muslims who want modernity, peace, understanding. they exist-i just think it's a shame that only the few monsters get all the talk, the attention, and are thought to be the only representatives of the muslim world.

[Danzig]

on second thought scuds, i just wasted my time. don't read any of the above, it's pointless. i'd hate to waste your time along with mine.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by Danzig

scuds, several threads contain quotes from a variety of muslims who spoke out against 9-11, against violence, who preach and believe in being a modern religions, without the violence. yet, you and others who want only to hate an entire group based on the actions of a few have completely refused to even acknowledge that.

I explained why this is. All Muslims follow the teachings of this butcher. They won't say that he was wrong. He told them they could lie to non-Muslims (if it helped Islam.) There are areas of the Koran where their butcher says these things your pointing out(violence for self-defense etc.) problem is that he was a hypocrite. He wrote stuff that encouraged violence against non-Muslims. He beheaded 600-900 non Muslims that surrendered to him. The very people you quote (peaceful words) will not say this guy was wrong to do n' say these violent things. Will they even call Hamas a terrorist group? Was he wrong to tell them to kill Muslims that try to leave the faith? See, if his followers won't say he was wrong about this stuff, then why would you believe their claims to be non-violent? Their allegiance is to that butcher. Not to you, or any other non-Muslims. I'm not gunna believe anyone who follows the teachings of a butcher. Just doesn't add up. They want peace, but love the teachings of a butcher who told them to kill those trying to leave the faith? Come on. Think. You're a parent. This is the same level of bullshyt kids probably tried to feed you when they wanted to deceive you. They say they are against violence, but like to follow a butcher...hmmmmm. Doesn't add up, but if you say so.